Spiked drinks and driving.
Discussion
Last year, a friends son went to the city for a night out with friends. He remembers leaving his drink to go to the toilet and came back, then NOTHING until he awoke the following day in the city centre. What he suspected had happened to him is not for these pages and no driving was involved, but it does show that the victim knows NOTHING, until the day after.
The so-called "date rape" drugs GHB (gammahydroxybutrate) and Rohypnol can have this effect. Typical effects - which may be felt individually or collectively include:
* extreme nausea;
* sudden tiredness;
* a feeling of drunkeness;
* amnesia.
Of course, if one feels either of the middle two, one should not drive. The last is (reportedly) extremely common, and is one of the main reasons the drugs are popular for "Drug Facilitated Sexual Assault.
Rohypnol now has a chemical added by the manufacturers that turn any liquid blue when the drug is added. GHB is therefore beconing the "date rape" drug of choice. Its particular effects are:
* aphrodisiacal;
* induces feelings of euphoria, well-being, relaxation and calmness.
At high doses, it can cause dizziness, nausea, vomiting, muscle spasms, loss of consciousness and coma.
(I've just been researching this for a chapter in a book I'm writing.)
Streaky
Edited to correct Freudian slip in typing "GHB"
>> Edited by streaky on Wednesday 30th June 07:20
* extreme nausea;
* sudden tiredness;
* a feeling of drunkeness;
* amnesia.
Of course, if one feels either of the middle two, one should not drive. The last is (reportedly) extremely common, and is one of the main reasons the drugs are popular for "Drug Facilitated Sexual Assault.
Rohypnol now has a chemical added by the manufacturers that turn any liquid blue when the drug is added. GHB is therefore beconing the "date rape" drug of choice. Its particular effects are:
* aphrodisiacal;
* induces feelings of euphoria, well-being, relaxation and calmness.
At high doses, it can cause dizziness, nausea, vomiting, muscle spasms, loss of consciousness and coma.
(I've just been researching this for a chapter in a book I'm writing.)
Streaky
Edited to correct Freudian slip in typing "GHB"
>> Edited by streaky on Wednesday 30th June 07:20
IIRC I read in an old law book that drink-driving when your drinks had been spiked (assuming you could prove it) mean that the 'spiker' got the penalties.
This applied to any form of incapacitation.
As said above, though, the burden of proof will be pretty high.
Any more detail from the BiBs out there?
This applied to any form of incapacitation.
As said above, though, the burden of proof will be pretty high.
Any more detail from the BiBs out there?
So he bloody should, what if he had hit a family in a car or killed someone son/daughter/husband/kid. If someone is so selfish to drink and drive and not only risk their own life more importantly other peoples I think he should have went to prison and the law is far too leniant on these people
Martha2004 said:
So he bloody should, what if he had hit a family in a car or killed someone son/daughter/husband/kid. If someone is so selfish to drink and drive and not only risk their own life more importantly other peoples I think he should have went to prison and the law is far too leniant on these people
I think you're missing the point ever so slightly....
If the scenario is genuine and the person HAS BEEN DRUGGED WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, selfishness doesn't enter the equation. If you have no control over your (drug induced) behaviour (assuming you haven't deliberately taken the drug), how can you be held responsible for anything you subsequently do? That's a tad different to having a skin full and driving home, which is the scenario you seem to be referring to.
>> Edited by hornet on Wednesday 30th June 01:00
hornet said:
Martha2004 said:
So he bloody should, what if he had hit a family in a car or killed someone son/daughter/husband/kid. If someone is so selfish to drink and drive and not only risk their own life more importantly other peoples I think he should have went to prison and the law is far too leniant on these people
I think you're missing the point ever so slightly....
If the scenario is genuine and the person HAS BEEN DRUGGED WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, selfishness doesn't enter the equation. If you have no control over your (drug induced) behaviour (assuming you haven't deliberately taken the drug), how can you be held responsible for anything you subsequently do? That's a tad different to having a skin full and driving home, which is the scenario you seem to be referring to.
>> Edited by hornet on Wednesday 30th June 01:00
Have to agree with you Hornet, pity there wasn't some sort of test to detect it, maybe there is! I'm no expert. No-one however, takes these things deliberately, they just aren't "that" type of drug.
I have heard stories, and I can't vow for the truth of them, that people have been known to be found wondering around in cities days later, minus a kidney.With no knowledge of where they've been or what has happened, so the driving scenario seems quite possible to me.
>> Edited by 8Pack on Wednesday 30th June 02:29
8Pack said:Usually these stories say people woke up in a bath of ice, minus a kidney and with a note telling them to call an ambulance. Urban myth! (sorry) - Streaky
So he bloody should, what if he had hit a family in a car or killed someone son/daughter/husband/kid. If someone is so selfish to drink and drive and not only risk their own life more importantly other peoples I think he should have went to prison and the law is far too leniant on these people
If the scenario is genuine and the person HAS BEEN DRUGGED WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, selfishness doesn't enter the equation. If you have no control over your (drug induced) behaviour (assuming you haven't deliberately taken the drug), how can you be held responsible for anything you subsequently do? That's a tad different to having a skin full and driving home, which is the scenario you seem to be referring to.
>> Edited by hornet on Wednesday 30th June 01:00
I have heard stories, and I can't vow for the truth of them, that people have been known to be found wondering around in cities days later, minus a kidney. ...
streaky said:
Usually these stories say people woke up in a bath of ice, minus a kidney and with a note telling them to call an ambulance. Urban myth! (sorry) - Streaky
No, that really happened to a friend of a friend of the Uncle of the bloke down the road who knows our postman. Honestly....
He's especially unlucky actually, as he also bought a cactus full of deadly spiders, got shot when he stopped because the car behind was flashing him (he survived by phoning a special emergency number that the mobile phone companies don't tell you about) and then nearly got stabbed with a syringe full of blood in a nightclub....
v8 westy said:
was the driver too thick to realise he/ she was over the limit?
spiked drinks is unlikely to wash as an excuse!
most people know when they are unfit to drive!
Unfortunately, they do not. And I speak from the unfortunate experience of having someone with history of heart disease get taken ill at driving wheel of his car!
Many think that note on prescription drug which says "Do not operate machinery" means "Do not use Black & Decker"
It actually means "Do not operate machinery as in driving a car"
It impairs reaction time and you should always always check medications with your pharmacist or GP! And "Avoid alcohol" means exactly what it says on the packet! 
Trouble is - many have one drink - which leads to two and then to four .... before they realise it - they are over drink/drive limit.
Sad and apparent fact in all this is -- they do not realise they are incapacitated to drive, and indeed, believe they are reacting perfectly normally.
Personally - do not even touch one drink if intending to drive. And if at a party - my saucer of milk or whatever is kept in my hands at all times!
GHB is only truly nasty when mixed with booze.
Roofies on the other hand may as well say on the box dont make any f**king plans.
However, spiking is frankly seldom, if taking advantage of someone is not your motive, why throw away hard earned drugs?
There is some sort of caveat in law that if you were genuinely under the influence of something that you didnt knowingly take then there is some sort of exemption from prosecution.
Could be an unsavoury last ditch effort and getting a driving license back?
Sounds to me a more plausible explanation than a spiking...
Roofies on the other hand may as well say on the box dont make any f**king plans.
However, spiking is frankly seldom, if taking advantage of someone is not your motive, why throw away hard earned drugs?
There is some sort of caveat in law that if you were genuinely under the influence of something that you didnt knowingly take then there is some sort of exemption from prosecution.
Could be an unsavoury last ditch effort and getting a driving license back?
Sounds to me a more plausible explanation than a spiking...
plotloss said:
However, spiking is frankly seldom, if taking advantage of someone is not your motive, why throw away hard earned drugs?
To laugh at them when they get totally off their face and start doing stupid things. Same as putting vodka in someone's pint when they're not looking, except that drugs are probably cheaper than shots of vodka at pub prices.
streaky said:
hornet said:
Martha2004 said:
So he bloody should, what if he had hit a family in a car or killed someone son/daughter/husband/kid. If someone is so selfish to drink and drive and not only risk their own life more importantly other peoples I think he should have went to prison and the law is far too leniant on these people
I think you're missing the point ever so slightly....
If the scenario is genuine and the person HAS BEEN DRUGGED WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, selfishness doesn't enter the equation. If you have no control over your (drug induced) behaviour (assuming you haven't deliberately taken the drug), how can you be held responsible for anything you subsequently do? That's a tad different to having a skin full and driving home, which is the scenario you seem to be referring to.
>> Edited by hornet on Wednesday 30th June 01:00
Have to agree with you Hornet, pity there wasn't some sort of test to detect it, maybe there is! I'm no expert. No-one however, takes these things deliberately, they just aren't "that" type of drug.
I have heard stories, and I can't vow for the truth of them, that people have been known to be found wondering around in cities days later, minus a kidney. ...
Usually these stories say people woke up in a bath of ice, minus a kidney and with a note telling them to call an ambulance. Urban myth! (sorry) - Streaky
Glad to hear it Streaky, I'd rather be wrong than right on that one!
8Pack.Gazboy said:
A drug that puts you at the mercy of anyone who gives you instructions, it's why it's used during extream dental procedures, you will also forget what happens while you are in the chair- otherwise, you would never bloody do it again.
Ah! Do have some more potent ones than this one -- but anyone know Mr B's dentist?
. The thought of him undergoing "extreme dental surgery" with dentist saying "Cameras are wrong! Pensioners overtaking tractors are safe. Speeding a tadge over the posted limit is quite safe! PHers are right! Paul Smith is nice fella! Heroin is dangerous"!......
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