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Can anyone clear this up for me? I have put it in a new thread in case the question is missed.
I am aware of a possible tampering with my phone line. One extension phone emits a 'peep' when it is put down and my wife knows when I go on-line because she hears the peep as the modem connects.
For some time now, I have heard this peeping noise in the early hours of the morning, sometimes two or three times a week; the noise awakens me. Two weeks ago I managed to pick up the phone during the event and the line was dead; then the dialling tone returned. This is too regular to be a line fault and the peeping is never heard during the day, other than when the modem connects.
I have had many letters published drawing attention to the lies we are told on speed camera success and other issues and wonder if the spooks are tapping my phone.
Anyone know if this is legal and/or possible and/or likely? How are e-mails intercepted? Menwith Hill listening station? GCHQ? Surely not.
I am aware of a possible tampering with my phone line. One extension phone emits a 'peep' when it is put down and my wife knows when I go on-line because she hears the peep as the modem connects.
For some time now, I have heard this peeping noise in the early hours of the morning, sometimes two or three times a week; the noise awakens me. Two weeks ago I managed to pick up the phone during the event and the line was dead; then the dialling tone returned. This is too regular to be a line fault and the peeping is never heard during the day, other than when the modem connects.
I have had many letters published drawing attention to the lies we are told on speed camera success and other issues and wonder if the spooks are tapping my phone.
Anyone know if this is legal and/or possible and/or likely? How are e-mails intercepted? Menwith Hill listening station? GCHQ? Surely not.
Believe me, if your 'phone line was tapped by the authorities, you wouldn't know ... but check your telephone bills to be sure no-one is wiring in to your circuit (eg. at your local footway box) and having outgoing calls charged to you (usually obvious, they will likely be Premium Rate calls - Streaky
Having spent 6 years in military intelligence, 1991-1997, I can agree with the last comment about you not knowing anything about it if it was the governement/police as this would be done at the exchange.
Phone intercepts, need Home Office approval and also liaison with GCHQ, either at Cheltenham or Scarborough.
It's more than likely a line fault. Contact BT customer services with your worries.
Let us know how you went on.
Street
Phone intercepts, need Home Office approval and also liaison with GCHQ, either at Cheltenham or Scarborough.
It's more than likely a line fault. Contact BT customer services with your worries.
Let us know how you went on.
Street
Yep sounds like you have got a fault on your line. If you remove all the extensions and have only the one phone connected in the master socket does the fault go away?
I would check every line jack extention box and make sure it's wired correctly.
Pin 2 & 5 should have a twisted pair (Usually White/Blue - Blue/White) and pin 3 should have a wire connected (This is for the bell cct.) Check all crimps/ screw terminals are good and tight and all the same colours are in the same positions.
Like Streaky said also, Phone Tap is done digitaly at the exchange and you would be into something very heavy to have a tap on your line. As for someone tampering in the street ....well possible too I guess.
I would check every line jack extention box and make sure it's wired correctly.
Pin 2 & 5 should have a twisted pair (Usually White/Blue - Blue/White) and pin 3 should have a wire connected (This is for the bell cct.) Check all crimps/ screw terminals are good and tight and all the same colours are in the same positions.
Like Streaky said also, Phone Tap is done digitaly at the exchange and you would be into something very heavy to have a tap on your line. As for someone tampering in the street ....well possible too I guess.
You must have a guilty concsience to believe you are being tapped!
Actually this sounds very much like you have a dodgy or non approved phone on the exteneion. It should not ring when put down. What you are hearing is almost certainly the results of BT's automated line tests that they run during the night in most areas as part of a preventative maintainence program.
Actually this sounds very much like you have a dodgy or non approved phone on the exteneion. It should not ring when put down. What you are hearing is almost certainly the results of BT's automated line tests that they run during the night in most areas as part of a preventative maintainence program.
as above.
Also, most exchanges have scheduled 'midnight' routines (not always at midnight) that go round checking all the ccts, these can cause a change in the line voltage for a couple of sec's as it goes round.
if you phone is chirping when the other handset is lifted, then your sockets have not been wired correctly.
Also, most exchanges have scheduled 'midnight' routines (not always at midnight) that go round checking all the ccts, these can cause a change in the line voltage for a couple of sec's as it goes round.
if you phone is chirping when the other handset is lifted, then your sockets have not been wired correctly.
If you can virtually set your your clock at the time this happens during the night, I read somewhere that you can get this when a computor downloads, with a number close to yours, information to Head Office during the silent hours.
Speak to Post Office as I think there is a form that you can get, fill in to advise BT.
DVD
Speak to Post Office as I think there is a form that you can get, fill in to advise BT.
DVD
Phones going bip when another phone or modem goes on/off line is a common occurrence and nothing to worry about.
The other thing you're getting in the middle of the night when if you pick it up at the critical moment it's dead then the dialling tone returns after a few seconds is BT running automated line tests.
The other thing you're getting in the middle of the night when if you pick it up at the critical moment it's dead then the dialling tone returns after a few seconds is BT running automated line tests.
Mr2Mike said:
You must have a guilty concsience to believe you are being tapped!
Actually this sounds very much like you have a dodgy or non approved phone on the exteneion. It should not ring when put down. What you are hearing is almost certainly the results of BT's automated line tests that they run during the night in most areas as part of a preventative maintainence program.
Conscience quite clear, though as stated, I have written many letters to local papers (and had many printed) on the lies about speed traps saving lives. I have also been active on the global warming myth and the windfarm issue. Seven fellow campaigners have been targeted by the wind industry with the threat on their web site, "We know where you live", together with their names. I am told this was removed following police intervention.
I also received a call from an ex-policeman who warned me that, "the police can be very vindictive if you cross them; be careful"
On the phone thing, you think this may be automated testing and something in the phone is picking it up. It is Telecom approved, the model is called Venturer. I have tried it on another line and it peeps when put down on that too. Seems to work fine.
Thanks for the advice.
Pigeon said:
Phones going bip when another phone or modem goes on/off line is a common occurrence and nothing to worry about.
The other thing you're getting in the middle of the night when if you pick it up at the critical moment it's dead then the dialling tone returns after a few seconds is BT running automated line tests.
Thanks to all on this. Looks as if my paranoia is misplaced
It could have been monitored by a payed individual or investigator. Look for an atr (automatic telephone recorder). It's just a tape recorder modified with an internal switch to activate when the hand set is lifted. It has to be connected to the main telephone line, either inside the house or before the pole/cable outside. It also has to be accessible so the tapes can be changed and could use mains voltage for long term use or battery voltage for short term use. If it's there you will be able to find it so long as you check the phone lines very carefully. You shouldn't hear them as they are silent. There are many reasons for their use. Hope you don't find one.
Only joking, it makes a good T-shirt slogan though.Boosted Ls1 said:Check the pole outside to see if there's a biscuit tin taped to it
It could have been monitored by a payed individual or investigator. Look for an atr (automatic telephone recorder). It's just a tape recorder modified with an internal switch to activate when the hand set is lifted. It has to be connected to the main telephone line, either inside the house or before the pole/cable outside. It also has to be accessible so the tapes can be changed and could use mains voltage for long term use or battery voltage for short term use. If it's there you will be able to find it so long as you check the phone lines very carefully. You shouldn't hear them as they are silent. There are many reasons for their use. Hope you don't find one.
. Actually, I'm not joking; this was done many moons ago. The PI who installed the tap was successfully prosecuted. And don't worry if anyone mentions "Echelon"
(with his background, St will know to what I'm referring), you wouldn't know anything about that either. Actually, St is slightly in error in his posting about intercepts being done at the exchange. With the modern exchanges now ubiquitous, neither "pen recordings" nor full intercepts need physical access to the exchange. Streaky
streaky said:
It could have been monitored by a payed individual or investigator. Look for an atr (automatic telephone recorder). It's just a tape recorder modified with an internal switch to activate when the hand set is lifted. It has to be connected to the main telephone line, either inside the house or before the pole/cable outside. It also has to be accessible so the tapes can be changed and could use mains voltage for long term use or battery voltage for short term use. If it's there you will be able to find it so long as you check the phone lines very carefully. You shouldn't hear them as they are silent. There are many reasons for their use. Hope you don't find one.
Check the pole outside to see if there's a biscuit tin taped to it
Streaky
Cor, you're an old-un aren't you! Join the club
streaky said:
Actually, St
Streaky
The way a tap is done on the type of exchange that I work on is the number that is to be tapped is routed over a special link that is monitored before the call is either presented to the PSTN (Rest of the world) or the subscriber. So there has to be a software Mod done to the subscriber line, This is transparrent to the subscriber. Then the special link is monitored by a third party bit of kit that extracts the audio as it needs to be provided to the monitoring agency as two seperate channels, It also detects and decodes DTMF, FAX and Modem tones all this infomation is then passed on a data channel so the monitoring agent knows which end is saying or sending what.
I had two home office chaps turn up on site to see the tap done before and they were also monitoring phone calls while I was there. They wouldn't say what they were looking for though, they claimed they didn't know.
Streetcop said:
I first trained on a early PABX..(the dolls eye) model..
RAF West Raynham in Norfolk was the last place in NATO that had a working one. (That was 1991, so they were very late with the technology thing...)
Street
The MoD is always late, when I joined the Royal Signals (TA) in 1985 they were still using radios with valves
xxxxxxrich said:That's "playing the game" and is likely to be monitoring criminal activity.
Actually, St
Streaky
The way a tap is done on the type of exchange that I work on is the number that is to be tapped is routed over a special link that is monitored before the call is either presented to the PSTN (Rest of the world) or the subscriber. So there has to be a software Mod done to the subscriber line, This is transparrent to the subscriber. Then the special link is monitored by a third party bit of kit that extracts the audio as it needs to be provided to the monitoring agency as two seperate channels, It also detects and decodes DTMF, FAX and Modem tones all this infomation is then passed on a data channel so the monitoring agent knows which end is saying or sending what.
I had two home office chaps turn up on site to see the tap done before and they were also monitoring phone calls while I was there. They wouldn't say what they were looking for though, they claimed they didn't know.
The mods can be done remotely. It used to be some guys from Dollis Hill who turned up, but now all that "dark fibre" comes in handy when "defence of the realm" drives the requirement - Streaky
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