Why Oh Why....
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After my last post on here popped out to do a mate a favour, this favour involved dropping him off in deepest darkest Essex. Along this route was some very nice "country roads." On the way back I came off a roundabout behind a Tigra onto one of the safest roads I've ever seen, use it all the time and its very wide, incredibly straight and very long with ample room for overtaking. Road is rightly an NSL but the car in front was doing around 35 - 40, checked ahead and in the distance was a car, I could of overtaken 3 times in the time it would of taken him to reach me so I indicated out, dropped to third, and passed the Tigra, while doing this the car coming the other way was flashing furiously at me.... a tad confused but I indicated in and carried on, as I finally reached him he had one hand on the wheel and the other one clearly stating that I was a w*nker. Hurt my feelings he did, why the 
did it concern him and what warranted that sort of reaction? TELL ME.
did it concern him and what warranted that sort of reaction? TELL ME. Most people cannot accuratly judge speed or distance, so dont worry about it.
Ask anyone how fast they think a 747 is going on take off, I bet you most poeple are off by at least 40mph, some give unbelievable stupid answers.
Its just as bad when going to land and you ask how long do you think that runway is, then tell them how far you need to land and see where or even if they think you could land in the distance.
Ask anyone how fast they think a 747 is going on take off, I bet you most poeple are off by at least 40mph, some give unbelievable stupid answers.
Its just as bad when going to land and you ask how long do you think that runway is, then tell them how far you need to land and see where or even if they think you could land in the distance.
Have a look of this video of me taking of in Le Mans, the first one if the take off about 4megs and then try and guess how fast on take off and how far was traveled.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=110814&f=25&h=0
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=110814&f=25&h=0
Just another British numpty. Oh for the roads of Italy ! Where people coming in the opposite direction make room for you to overtake without any fuss at all - on the understanding that you will do exactly the same thing for them when they need to pass. Oh how wonderful for a spirit of co-operation between like-minded souls.
The only flashing lights and tooted horns I heard during my holiday in May this year were in appreciation of someone driving a "bella machina" the way it is meant to be driven !!
The only flashing lights and tooted horns I heard during my holiday in May this year were in appreciation of someone driving a "bella machina" the way it is meant to be driven !!
Try this link
http://fp.charlescrawley.free-online.co.uk/files/boredpilot/106-0661_MVI.AVI
If not go to the le mans section, and go to the LM2003 pics post.
Speed well im not in a 747, runway distance depends on weight, runway conditions, temp etc quite a few variables, also what till help judge distance in this one is the fact you can see the building that mark the start finish of Le mans and you can see fow fast the tents go past the wing once we get airborn
http://fp.charlescrawley.free-online.co.uk/files/boredpilot/106-0661_MVI.AVI
If not go to the le mans section, and go to the LM2003 pics post.
Speed well im not in a 747, runway distance depends on weight, runway conditions, temp etc quite a few variables, also what till help judge distance in this one is the fact you can see the building that mark the start finish of Le mans and you can see fow fast the tents go past the wing once we get airborn
boredpilot said:
Have a look of this video of me taking of in Le Mans, the first one if the take off about 4megs and then try and guess how fast on take off and how far was traveled.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=110814&f=25&h=0
With no flaps (why?), fairly warm air and five up plus bags, looks like around 90 knots (~105 mph), and I guess near 2000 foot roll.
Not exactly sprightly off the ground, is it?
That year was a PA23 160
Afraid its about the slowest twin I could find. Most twins dont use flaps for take off.
In this case rotation was 80knts about 92 mph.
The plane was full of fuel and as you say 5 + baggage.
Couldnt get above 110knts in the cruze. Though this year I got 210knt cruze and a far faster plane
Afraid its about the slowest twin I could find. Most twins dont use flaps for take off.
In this case rotation was 80knts about 92 mph.
The plane was full of fuel and as you say 5 + baggage.
Couldnt get above 110knts in the cruze. Though this year I got 210knt cruze and a far faster plane
boredpilot said:
That year was a PA23 160
Afraid its about the slowest twin I could find. Most twins dont use flaps for take off.
In this case rotation was 80knts about 92 mph.
The plane was full of fuel and as you say 5 + baggage.
Couldnt get above 110knts in the cruze. Though this year I got 210knt cruze and a far faster plane
I only have (quick check) 290 hours on Apaches, including 150 and 160s.
5 plus bags plus fuel should give around 100 miles range at max weight, I would reckon.
Interesting comments regarding most twins not using flaps for take-off...
Want to reconsider that remark? (Another quick check) Only have 27 different twins in my log book, and my mileage differs. 210kt cruise in a Seneca? Really?
Never seen above 170kt cruise in a PA34, let alone an old one.
ben_london said:
I was told I was clear for take off. My little 1.2 flies when the balls are ragged off it. (Thats right, I drive a 1.2 but it has 16 Valves)
Can barely speed in it, but I do try.
You try to speed? 
99% of the people on here worry about being caught for speeding and you worry about not being... Street
Street stop picking on me you big bully. Speeding is my way of being an anarchist. I always make sure I stick at 31mph because seeing those little signs light up is my way of sticking two fingers up to the system. I dont try to, just drive at an appropriate speed for the road / conditions / my ability. Honest Constable.
I dont try to, just drive at an appropriate speed for the road / conditions / my ability. Honest Constable. yes 210 knt but that was GND spd not indicated which was 165 I was up at 10 k with lovley tail wind.
I think you are very wrong one the range of a pa23 with full fuel. 100 miles, your telling me that pa23 160 twin can only fly for 1 hour with no reserve etc.
And yes every piston twin ive ever flown does not use flaps for a standard power take off. Single then yes.
Perhaps your twins are jet related and not pistons where thats often a different matter.
I think you are very wrong one the range of a pa23 with full fuel. 100 miles, your telling me that pa23 160 twin can only fly for 1 hour with no reserve etc.
And yes every piston twin ive ever flown does not use flaps for a standard power take off. Single then yes.
Perhaps your twins are jet related and not pistons where thats often a different matter.
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