The camera strikes back...
Discussion
Nut shell:
Devices which detect /jam speed cameras/guns to be banned because they are being exploited to allow drivers to speed. Ban will be in a forthcoming Road Safety Bill with possible fine 1000 and 6 points.
Prohibition will be on the carriage of devices that inhibit the function of camera/gun or detect the presence of a functioning one.
Satellite positioning systems that just give location of Camera will remain legal.
Ban brings UK in line with other European countries.
Edmund King, RAC has expressed opposition.
DVD
Devices which detect /jam speed cameras/guns to be banned because they are being exploited to allow drivers to speed. Ban will be in a forthcoming Road Safety Bill with possible fine 1000 and 6 points.
Prohibition will be on the carriage of devices that inhibit the function of camera/gun or detect the presence of a functioning one.
Satellite positioning systems that just give location of Camera will remain legal.
Ban brings UK in line with other European countries.
Edmund King, RAC has expressed opposition.
DVD
Dwight VanDriver said:
Nut shell:
Devices which detect /jam speed cameras/guns to be banned because they are being exploited to allow drivers to speed. Ban will be in a forthcoming Road Safety Bill with possible fine 1000 and 6 points.
Prohibition will be on the carriage of devices that inhibit the function of camera/gun or detect the presence of a functioning one.
Satellite positioning systems that just give location of Camera will remain legal.
Ban brings UK in line with other European countries.
Edmund King, RAC has expressed opposition.
DVD
Bollocks. Am I still allowed to use my eyes to spot these things?
The article concludes with facts which indicate the view of the author:
Times said:
FLASH GADGETS
There are 5,000 fixed and mobile camera sites
Speed camera fines generate £68 million annually, of which £54 million is spent on running costs
The Government claims that speed cameras save 100 lives every year
The proportion of vehicles speeding excessively (15mph more than the speed limit) has fallen by 80 per cent at fixed camera sites
However, this drops to 28 per cent at mobile camera sites
There are several different types of speed camera:
- Specs, which calculates a car's average speed between two points
- Truvelo, which takes a picture of the front of the car
- Gatso camera, the most common, found all over Britain
Accident casualties at 743 camera locations have increased rather than decreased, a new study shows
This year almost three million speeding penalties are expected to be issued, up from 260,000 in 1996
Women’s speeding offences have risen by four percentage points in the past five years, yet still constitute only 17 per cent of the total
The number of traffic police has fallen by 11 per cent since 1996
Home Office guidelines state that 15 per cent of cameras can be placed at places other than accident blackspots
The A537 from Macclesfield to Buxton is the most dangerous road in England. There are no speed cameras on this road
Found this on google
www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/?news_id=1504
"The news has caused outrage from suppliers of such devices. Mark Cornwall of Car Parts Direct, the company supplying the Quintezz XT7000 Plus radar detector in the UK said “A Mori-pole has proved conclusively that a radar detector user is 28% less likely to have an accident than a non-user. The DfT aim to try to ban radar detectors is just unbelievable – a Radar Detector is a proven road safety device. This demonstrates yet again the governments greed for cash from the motorists and bears no relation to road safety.”
www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/?news_id=1504
"The news has caused outrage from suppliers of such devices. Mark Cornwall of Car Parts Direct, the company supplying the Quintezz XT7000 Plus radar detector in the UK said “A Mori-pole has proved conclusively that a radar detector user is 28% less likely to have an accident than a non-user. The DfT aim to try to ban radar detectors is just unbelievable – a Radar Detector is a proven road safety device. This demonstrates yet again the governments greed for cash from the motorists and bears no relation to road safety.”
Nut shell II:
Devices which detect /jam speed cameras/guns to be banned because they are being exploited to allow drivers to evade fines. Ban will be in a forthcoming Road Safety Bill with possible fine 1000 and 6 points.
Prohibition will be on the carriage of devices that inhibit the function of camera/gun or detect the presence of a functioning one, in order to allow the driver to evade a fine.
Satellite positioning systems that just give location of Camera will remain legal, because they haven't thought of a way to ban it yet. Teams of Government lawyers are however, working on this loophole in the camera cash cow as we speak.
Ban brings UK in line with other European countries, which in all other areas the Government has resisted vehemently.
Edmund King, RAC has expressed opposition, but can do Jack Sh1t about it.
Devices which detect /jam speed cameras/guns to be banned because they are being exploited to allow drivers to evade fines. Ban will be in a forthcoming Road Safety Bill with possible fine 1000 and 6 points.
Prohibition will be on the carriage of devices that inhibit the function of camera/gun or detect the presence of a functioning one, in order to allow the driver to evade a fine.
Satellite positioning systems that just give location of Camera will remain legal, because they haven't thought of a way to ban it yet. Teams of Government lawyers are however, working on this loophole in the camera cash cow as we speak.
Ban brings UK in line with other European countries, which in all other areas the Government has resisted vehemently.
Edmund King, RAC has expressed opposition, but can do Jack Sh1t about it.
It would be possible to dismantle such a device and hide its internals somewhere well out of sight in the car and have the display cleverly mounted on the dash somewhere.
Not that I would do such a thing. I have a clean licence and have never owned any device like that.
Awareness and responsible driving seems to do the trick for me.
Not that I would do such a thing. I have a clean licence and have never owned any device like that.
Awareness and responsible driving seems to do the trick for me.
stooz said:
save £100 of pounds and get the new latest camera beating gadget.
take your number plate off. claim it fell off, get a small fine if your really unlucky.
it will take many many fines before you reach the value of a laser detector.
Meet a cop on a bad day and get arrested for 'Going equipped' or 'Pervert course of Justice'...
Street
Wow, if ever there was a time to be a policeman, right now is not it...
Cop: Right sir, I'm giving you 6 points and a £1000 fine.
Driver: For what?
Cop: Well, you "could" use that device to travel at excessive speed everywhere except accident blackspots. But you should drive slowly everywhere.
Driver: Errr, well I could drive fast everywhere without one anyway, and be just as dangerous, just when I get to a blackspot I actually am safe, which has to be a good thing.
Shouldn't you be out catching real criminals?
Cop: Are you insulting me? (big ego, had a bad day usual crap)
Driver: Yes, you are a dogs body for a revenue collecting government full of retarded individuals who give out over twice the fine and points for the potential to be safer at accident blackspots, than to actual speed through ignorance at that very accident blackspot!
Cop: Ohhh, your so right, I should stop following these stupid orders and laws and actually do something good for traffic safety... I think I should go run over Alistair Darling in my flourescent white and yellow Volvo at 10mph.
I wish
Dave
Cop: Right sir, I'm giving you 6 points and a £1000 fine.
Driver: For what?
Cop: Well, you "could" use that device to travel at excessive speed everywhere except accident blackspots. But you should drive slowly everywhere.
Driver: Errr, well I could drive fast everywhere without one anyway, and be just as dangerous, just when I get to a blackspot I actually am safe, which has to be a good thing.
Shouldn't you be out catching real criminals?
Cop: Are you insulting me? (big ego, had a bad day usual crap)
Driver: Yes, you are a dogs body for a revenue collecting government full of retarded individuals who give out over twice the fine and points for the potential to be safer at accident blackspots, than to actual speed through ignorance at that very accident blackspot!
Cop: Ohhh, your so right, I should stop following these stupid orders and laws and actually do something good for traffic safety... I think I should go run over Alistair Darling in my flourescent white and yellow Volvo at 10mph.
I wish
Dave
I think the point, as usual, is that "they" are trying to slow people down everywhere, not just at accident blackspots (or whatever we should call them now-PC-adays).
It's not about saving lives, or even about money. It's really about freedom. Limits are coming down everywhere for PC reasons, not safety. Most* drivers realise the justification for this is PC not safety and so don't keep to them. "They" have to stamp this out, hence the need to inculcate the fear of martini cameras. Watch how scamera vans increase and fixed cameras decrease once this law's passed, even though the PA Consulting report stated that they're less effective.
* there's always someone writing to the local paper to say "the limit's the limit, blah blah..."
It's not about saving lives, or even about money. It's really about freedom. Limits are coming down everywhere for PC reasons, not safety. Most* drivers realise the justification for this is PC not safety and so don't keep to them. "They" have to stamp this out, hence the need to inculcate the fear of martini cameras. Watch how scamera vans increase and fixed cameras decrease once this law's passed, even though the PA Consulting report stated that they're less effective.
* there's always someone writing to the local paper to say "the limit's the limit, blah blah..."
Hmmmm, I thought the idea of 'safety'cameras was to slow cars down, therefore the notion of having a detector would surely slow you down earlier and make you drive below the legal limit longer. Therefore additional road safety device.
It seems clear that they are being banned so that you can be caught speeding therefore does this ban on detectors work against safety?
What is the objective of the camera? slow the traffic (detector good thing) or raise the revenue (detector bad thing)? I would like to hear somebody come up with a rational arguement to support this legislation.
Also agree with earlier post, I too have Sd815 snooper and as it goes off even if somebody less than 200yards away farts in an agressive tone I have not been over 30 in years
It seems clear that they are being banned so that you can be caught speeding therefore does this ban on detectors work against safety?
What is the objective of the camera? slow the traffic (detector good thing) or raise the revenue (detector bad thing)? I would like to hear somebody come up with a rational arguement to support this legislation.
Also agree with earlier post, I too have Sd815 snooper and as it goes off even if somebody less than 200yards away farts in an agressive tone I have not been over 30 in years
Well if GPS is still about and it gets really bad, I'm sure for a nice fee (if lots of people subscribe), we'll be able to get live updates of scamera van locations and the lot for not much money.
Only way to truly solve it is better roads, more sense in defining speed limits, and better more active policing!
Dave
Only way to truly solve it is better roads, more sense in defining speed limits, and better more active policing!
Dave
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