Mulberry Incident
Discussion
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/london/marched-...
This young lady is a good friend of mine. Does anyone think that she has a case against the shop in question, or the Met Police? She was left handcuffed in a police cell for 5 hrs. I didn`t think that you had to be handcuffed in a cell? Or at all if you weren`t resisting arrest?
This young lady is a good friend of mine. Does anyone think that she has a case against the shop in question, or the Met Police? She was left handcuffed in a police cell for 5 hrs. I didn`t think that you had to be handcuffed in a cell? Or at all if you weren`t resisting arrest?
jontysafe said:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/london/marched-...
This young lady is a good friend of mine. Does anyone think that she has a case against the shop in question, or the Met Police? She was left handcuffed in a police cell for 5 hrs. I didn`t think that you had to be handcuffed in a cell? Or at all if you weren`t resisting arrest?
That story does not appear to state that she was handcuffed in the cell. It also states that she was in the cell for 4 or 5 and 7 hours. I suspect we don't have the full story. How surprising that nothing has changed since it was part of the same group as the Daily Mail.This young lady is a good friend of mine. Does anyone think that she has a case against the shop in question, or the Met Police? She was left handcuffed in a police cell for 5 hrs. I didn`t think that you had to be handcuffed in a cell? Or at all if you weren`t resisting arrest?
fandango_c said:
Pothole said:
Where did you get the information that she was handcuffed for 5 hours in the cell?
jontysafe said:
This young lady is a good friend of mine.
Pothole said:
fandango_c said:
Pothole said:
Where did you get the information that she was handcuffed for 5 hours in the cell?
jontysafe said:
This young lady is a good friend of mine.
Does anyone with any legal experience have an opinion that may be of any assistance?
jontysafe said:
Pothole said:
fandango_c said:
Pothole said:
Where did you get the information that she was handcuffed for 5 hours in the cell?
jontysafe said:
This young lady is a good friend of mine.
Does anyone with any legal experience have an opinion that may be of any assistance?
OP said:
Does anyone think that she has a case against the shop in question, or the Met Police?
No problem here OP! The 'suspect' was a compliant middle class generally law-abiding citizen with disposable wealth, these days this is the new scum and will be arrested at the drop of a coat. After all they don't put up much of a fight. Undertaking any semblance of investigation before taking the decision to arrest is too much like hard work, lazy senior police give no time for front line officers to do that so they all look lazy these days and while they will bag some criminals everybody is caught in the police lazy net. Helping police with enquiries means arrested, handcuffed, in a cell, the works. Innocent? Tough s
t you might have been guilty and it's presumption of guilt before innocence these days as due investigation is too much trouble. Why not keep the lass in an interview room, no matter how long, make the call, sorry you were right all along, free to go. Why not de-arrest at that time. Anyway another brick goes in the national DNA database wall, job's a good un. Why on earth is anybody complaining?
t you might have been guilty and it's presumption of guilt before innocence these days as due investigation is too much trouble. Why not keep the lass in an interview room, no matter how long, make the call, sorry you were right all along, free to go. Why not de-arrest at that time. Anyway another brick goes in the national DNA database wall, job's a good un. Why on earth is anybody complaining?NDA said:
False Imprisonment (unlawful arrest and detention)?
Arrests do not become unlawful with hindsight once someone is no longer pursued for prosecution.The lawfulness of an arrest depends on whether the legal arrest test was met i.e. there were grounds to suspect her of the offence (note "suspect" not "prove beyond all reasonable doubt") and there were grounds to believe the arrest was necessary (i.e. in order to progress the investigation effectively), regardless of the final outcome of the case.
As for the OP, I don't see how she has a case, at least from the very, very limited information provided from the article.
Newspapers (esp. the Wail) are useless for making any sort of legal assessment about anything since they are almost always hearsay, speculation, and selective quotes aimed to generate sensation and interest.
I'm sure that her friend who gave her the lovely gift will come forward very quickly with proof of purchase and prove the staff in Mulberry to have been incorrect in their assumption which led her to being treated no differently from anyone else.
As soon as this happens then I'm sure she can make a claim against 'mulberry as there is clearly a blame and this is what we do.
Unfortunately, it is very common for South London gangs to use innocent looking, nice girls to go into these stores with stolen goods and convert them to store vouchers which then have a much higher monetary value than the goods and are also legit. The young girl gets a nice cut of the vouchers for her efforts.
Unfortunately, it looks like this girl has been misinterpreted as being one of these and has had an unpleasant experience. But as soon as her friend steps up and does the right thing and show proof of purchase she'll get a full apology etc.
As soon as this happens then I'm sure she can make a claim against 'mulberry as there is clearly a blame and this is what we do.
Unfortunately, it is very common for South London gangs to use innocent looking, nice girls to go into these stores with stolen goods and convert them to store vouchers which then have a much higher monetary value than the goods and are also legit. The young girl gets a nice cut of the vouchers for her efforts.
Unfortunately, it looks like this girl has been misinterpreted as being one of these and has had an unpleasant experience. But as soon as her friend steps up and does the right thing and show proof of purchase she'll get a full apology etc.
DonkeyApple said:
I'm sure that her friend who gave her the lovely gift will come forward very quickly with proof of purchase and prove the staff in Mulberry to have been incorrect in their assumption which led her to being treated no differently from anyone else.
As soon as this happens then I'm sure she can make a claim against 'mulberry as there is clearly a blame and this is what we do.
Unfortunately, it is very common for South London gangs to use innocent looking, nice girls to go into these stores with stolen goods and convert them to store vouchers which then have a much higher monetary value than the goods and are also legit. The young girl gets a nice cut of the vouchers for her efforts.
Unfortunately, it looks like this girl has been misinterpreted as being one of these and has had an unpleasant experience. But as soon as her friend steps up and does the right thing and show proof of purchase she'll get a full apology etc.
This is The Wail`s take on it.As soon as this happens then I'm sure she can make a claim against 'mulberry as there is clearly a blame and this is what we do.
Unfortunately, it is very common for South London gangs to use innocent looking, nice girls to go into these stores with stolen goods and convert them to store vouchers which then have a much higher monetary value than the goods and are also legit. The young girl gets a nice cut of the vouchers for her efforts.
Unfortunately, it looks like this girl has been misinterpreted as being one of these and has had an unpleasant experience. But as soon as her friend steps up and does the right thing and show proof of purchase she'll get a full apology etc.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112736/Ho...
While she was in the cell the purchaser`s solicitor provided proof of purchase. It was bought direct from a contract manufacturer for Mulberry, shock horror they don`t make all their own products. So jacket was completely authentic, just not purchased from Mulberry. Harriet was not to know this, as it was still "a Mulberry" jacket, with tags, security hologram etc.
Mulberry still acted in a completely over zealous and indiscrete manner as did Met police. And still not an apology.
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