Discussion
We've discussed it before, but the findings for the last 6 months ANPR operations have been released.
73% of vehicles stopped as a result of a 'hit' on a ANPR operation result in an arrest. Not a report on summons or a fixed penalty ticket, but an arrest.
Good news for the system and the law abiding Joe Public on the whole...
Street
73% of vehicles stopped as a result of a 'hit' on a ANPR operation result in an arrest. Not a report on summons or a fixed penalty ticket, but an arrest.
Good news for the system and the law abiding Joe Public on the whole...
Street
I work in a Northern force that has some average towns and a particularly busy* City centre.
Stuff like out of date MOT doesn't come into ANPR workings. VRMs that are on the system are:
1) stolen vehicles
2) vehicles used in criminal offences or at such scenes.
3) vehicles that have contained criminals during previous police checks.
4) vehicles that are registered to disqualified drivers or their spouses/friends.
5) vehicles with expired tax discs
etc etc
Street
busy*= high populous of criminal activity.
Stuff like out of date MOT doesn't come into ANPR workings. VRMs that are on the system are:
1) stolen vehicles
2) vehicles used in criminal offences or at such scenes.
3) vehicles that have contained criminals during previous police checks.
4) vehicles that are registered to disqualified drivers or their spouses/friends.
5) vehicles with expired tax discs
etc etc
Street
busy*= high populous of criminal activity.
Streetcop said:
73% of vehicles stopped as a result of a 'hit' on a ANPR operation result in an arrest.
[Mr McKay]MmmmmKay.....[/Mr McKay]
But how much time is spent manning ANPR relative to other crime stopping techniques and how often do you get a hit?
Meaning 73% of ten hits a month requiring 35hrs of police time isn't necessarily hot.
(hate percentages don't cha know - don't mean nuffin by them selves)
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Ex
TheExcession said:
73% of vehicles stopped as a result of a 'hit' on a ANPR operation result in an arrest.
[Mr McKay]MmmmmKay.....[/Mr McKay]
But how much time is spent manning ANPR relative to other crime stopping techniques and how often do you get a hit?
Meaning 73% of ten hits a month requiring 35hrs of police time isn't necessarily hot.
(hate percentages don't cha know - don't mean nuffin by them selves)
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Ex
Cant give you a figure of how much ANPR compared with other crime fighting stuff....but it's the best crime fighting tool we (the police) have...
I know you don't like percentages, Ex, but I think the % for normal vehicles stops without ANPR is something like 17% result in arrests.
ANPR IS the future and it's here to stay....I think you can all be relieved that it really is assisting in the fight against crime.
Street
Streetcop said:
Cant give you a figure of how much ANPR compared with other crime fighting stuff....but it's the best crime fighting tool we (the police) have...
I know you don't like percentages, Ex, but I think the % for normal vehicles stops without ANPR is something like 17% result in arrests.
ANPR IS the future and it's here to stay....I think you can all be relieved that it really is assisting in the fight against crime.
Street
Don't get me wrong - I'm all for ANPR - and going against some of the PH grain I'm super suprised it wasn't installed on garage forcourts years ago.
I'm guessing a session in Chaple Town or Mosside might yield a few more hits than say Westminster but I'd be really interested to know how many hits an Officer would expect to get manning an ANPR on a busy A road for a few hours.
It would put that 73% into some context.
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Ex
I think the 73% is taken from the country as a whole....
I know of Met police officers who's ANPR sounds like a Morse Code machine...as there are so many hits in such a small amount of time that it's impossible to stop all of them....
Then parts of North Yorkshire, the bobby might go several hours without a 'hit'
Street
I know of Met police officers who's ANPR sounds like a Morse Code machine...as there are so many hits in such a small amount of time that it's impossible to stop all of them....
Then parts of North Yorkshire, the bobby might go several hours without a 'hit'
Street
So if its so damm good how come every single time one of company vans goes through a check it gets pulled ? I never used to to believe the regular driver and just used to dismiss his bleating, however I drove it one day and suprise suprise the man in the yellow jacket stepped into the road with his hand up. Now this van we have had for over two years, the company is the registered keeper and is clearly on DVLA's database since we get the road tax reminders and kengestion charge penalty once. However acording to ANPR it "doesn't exist" and every bloody time plod just smiles and waves it on its way after a cursory check of tax disc, and quizzing the driver saying "ok fine". Once or twice I don't mind but its only this one van amd its every time it goes past the sneeky little Freelander that parks up the road (It doesn't help that the regular stomping ground is on the main road in/out of the Ind Est) Sorry it might be a good bit of kit but its starting to really piss me off.
mel said:
So if its so damm good how come every single time one of company vans goes through a check it gets pulled ? I never used to to believe the regular driver and just used to dismiss his bleating, however I drove it one day and suprise suprise the man in the yellow jacket stepped into the road with his hand up. Now this van we have had for over two years, the company is the registered keeper and is clearly on DVLA's database since we get the road tax reminders and kengestion charge penalty once. However acording to ANPR it "doesn't exist" and every bloody time plod just smiles and waves it on its way after a cursory check of tax disc, and quizzing the driver saying "ok fine". Once or twice I don't mind but its only this one van amd its every time it goes past the sneeky little Freelander that parks up the road (It doesn't help that the regular stomping ground is on the main road in/out of the Ind Est) Sorry it might be a good bit of kit but its starting to really piss me off.
Ahem,
4) vehicles that are registered to disqualified drivers or their spouses/friends
Bit if a wide window of opportunity that.
MoJo.
Streetcop said:
I think the 73% is taken from the country as a whole....
I know of Met police officers who's ANPR sounds like a Morse Code machine...as there are so many hits in such a small amount of time that it's impossible to stop all of them....
Then parts of North Yorkshire, the bobby might go several hours without a 'hit'
Street
. . . which indeed is what you would expect from the law abiding folk around here.
Many thanks for your telephone call yesterday Gary, it was nice to have a chat with you. Incidentally I spotted your holiday hideaway on my way home yesterday evening. Do call in next time you're in the area.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
By the way Gary, my PH label was meant to be 'triple ess' - meaning Swift, Smooth, Safe - rather than 'triples'.
And I still don't know whether it is 'del taf' or 'delta f' but I always think of it as the former. Perhaps that has been cleared up and I have missed it.
>> Edited by TripleS on Tuesday 20th July 09:08
So St do tell, what happens when the DVLA bullshit computer doesn't know?
I arrive in GB in a foreign reg car...???? APNR does what???
I've also two cars at home in my "museum" which the DVLA does not know exist although their sooperdooper computer is supposed to know them........ both old cars and old regs, grey logbooks (you know from the pen and ink age!!!)......do they think that the cars have been scrapped just because they've not been on the road for 20 years.....???
when moved/shewn they're on red plates...
do tell, what happens when the DVLA bullshit computer doesn't know? I arrive in GB in a foreign reg car...???? APNR does what???
I've also two cars at home in my "museum" which the DVLA does not know exist although their sooperdooper computer is supposed to know them........ both old cars and old regs, grey logbooks (you know from the pen and ink age!!!)......do they think that the cars have been scrapped just because they've not been on the road for 20 years.....???
when moved/shewn they're on red plates...
JMGS4 said:
So St
I arrive in GB in a foreign reg car...???? APNR does what???
I've also two cars at home in my "museum" which the DVLA does not know exist although their sooperdooper computer is supposed to know them........ both old cars and old regs, grey logbooks (you know from the pen and ink age!!!)......do they think that the cars have been scrapped just because they've not been on the road for 20 years.....???
when moved/shewn they're on red plates...
I think undoubtedly we are all well aware that a system like this is never going to be infallible, however, clearly though it is making a huge contribution towards alerting officers to suspect vehicles.
I for one have no problem being pulled in error once in a while - especially if it means the database will get updated so it doesn't happen again.
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Ex
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