Now I need your DoB when selling you a car
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Saw a piece this morning which indicated that private sellers are (to be / are already ?) required by the DVLA to obtain the date of birth of a private individual to whom they are selling. HTF are you supposed to verify the DoB given to you?
My BP was further raised by the news that a council are threatening a householder with a £5,000 for feeding the birds in her garden ... in the Peak District National Park! Apparently someone has complained about the birdsong generated by the happy well-fed birds.
No doubt some of Derbyshire's finest will be called in to arrest her ... and an ARU to shoot the birds too, I wouldn't be surprised!
The catch-phrase during WW2 (my father told me!) was, "Don't you know there's a war on?" Today, the catch-phrase would be, "Don't you know it's the law?"
Please Mr B'liar, can I breathe?
Streaky
My BP was further raised by the news that a council are threatening a householder with a £5,000 for feeding the birds in her garden ... in the Peak District National Park! Apparently someone has complained about the birdsong generated by the happy well-fed birds.
No doubt some of Derbyshire's finest will be called in to arrest her ... and an ARU to shoot the birds too, I wouldn't be surprised!
The catch-phrase during WW2 (my father told me!) was, "Don't you know there's a war on?" Today, the catch-phrase would be, "Don't you know it's the law?"
Please Mr B'liar, can I breathe?
Streaky
Streetcop said:
If it does come in...it's a case of asking the seller for his D.O.B. while completing the log book.
The BUYER has to ask the SELLER ?????
What f
ing purpose does that serve? Except to employ a few thousand more civil servants (perhaps redeployed from the MOD when we reduce our military to a few men and a load of expensive American equipment that shoots up our own people!). Streaky
streaky said:
a load of expensive American equipment that shoots up our own people!).
I always thought the American military were on drugs, now Streaky confirms it.
Or is it silly Friday?
The above post is all tongue in cheek and is not intended to offend. Friendly fire is not a joking matter.
Pistonfest said:I didn't know the DoB was in the licence number! Must have a closer look at mine when I'm home.
But your dob is on your license-it's in code that forms part of your driving license number. You have to fill in the new owners license number when completing the v5, so why dont they use that?
I guess writing in the DoB would allow a cross check that the driving licence number is legit? After all, you don't even have to ask the seller - just note it down from the licence. Dan
I'm sure I'm teaching pistonheaders to suck eggs, but for those that don't know..here's how it works:
For example:
Name: Gary William Heptonstall
Date of Birth: 7th April 1970
Drivers number
HEPTO 707040 GW9TF
The first 5 figures are the first 5 letters of your surname. If the name isn't 5 letters long, missing letters will be replaced with the number 9.
The next 5 figs are the date of birth. The year is on either side (1970 is 7 at the start and 0 at the end). 07 is the date, 04 is the month.
The last 5 letters are made up as follows: the first 3 characters are the initials. Any missing letters replaced by number 9. The last 2 charachters are randomly picked.
Hope that's of assistance.
Street
For example:
Name: Gary William Heptonstall
Date of Birth: 7th April 1970
Drivers number
HEPTO 707040 GW9TF
The first 5 figures are the first 5 letters of your surname. If the name isn't 5 letters long, missing letters will be replaced with the number 9.
The next 5 figs are the date of birth. The year is on either side (1970 is 7 at the start and 0 at the end). 07 is the date, 04 is the month.
The last 5 letters are made up as follows: the first 3 characters are the initials. Any missing letters replaced by number 9. The last 2 charachters are randomly picked.
Hope that's of assistance.
Street
Flat in Fifth said:Humm! FiF - I was looking for a term that would embrace strafing a Warrior with depleted Uranium shells, blowing up a Tornado with a Patriot missile, firing a heavy machine-gun at British troops and dropping a bomb on British journalists (I don't think the Yanks have sunk any of our ships recently ... but I could be wrong). Any Freudian influence was (naturally) unintentional
a load of expensive American equipment that shoots up our own people!).
I always thought the American military were on drugs, now Streaky confirms it.
Or is it silly Friday?
The above post is all tongue in cheek and is not intended to offend. Friendly fire is not a joking matter.
- StreakySo, does this mean that you can't sell a car to someone who does not have a UK driving licence? For example, can I sell my car to an EU national (not a Brit) who intends to use it in the UK whilst working here? Surely this is against the EU charter on free trade within the community.
Of course, you could always use a false licence (old style), as a seller is not going to check to see if the licence is genuine, and with modern computing it is easy to scan in a licence and alter it to read anything you want. then just print off the modified version, put it in a little plastic wallet and Bob's-your-uncle.
Of course, you could always use a false licence (old style), as a seller is not going to check to see if the licence is genuine, and with modern computing it is easy to scan in a licence and alter it to read anything you want. then just print off the modified version, put it in a little plastic wallet and Bob's-your-uncle.
Cooperman said:
So, does this mean that you can't sell a car to someone who does not have a UK driving licence? For example, can I sell my car to an EU national (not a Brit) who intends to use it in the UK whilst working here? .
Or to a 15 year old who intends to spend 2 years rebuilding it with the help of his uncle before he applies for his provisional ? (My nephew is thinking early mini 850 and his uncle is thinking, where's me vizard book)
jacko lah said:
Or to a 15 year old who intends to spend 2 years rebuilding it with the help of his uncle before he applies for his provisional ? (My nephew is thinking early mini 850 and his uncle is thinking, where's me vizard book)
YAY! Someone else who has a copy of Tuning the A Series Engine in his collection ... many fun weeks/months were passed putting the stuff in there into practice! Knows his stuff does David Vizard...
Phil
streaky said:
a load of expensive American equipment that shoots up our own people!).
I always thought the American military were on drugs, now Streaky confirms it.
Or is it silly Friday?
The above post is all tongue in cheek and is not intended to offend. Friendly fire is not a joking matter.
Humm! FiF - I was looking for a term that would embrace strafing a Warrior with depleted Uranium shells, blowing up a Tornado with a Patriot missile, firing a heavy machine-gun at British troops and dropping a bomb on British journalists (I don't think the Yanks have sunk any of our ships recently ... but I could be wrong). Any Freudian influence was (naturally) unintentional
Sorry Streaky, it's this flaming internet. I knew what you were on about and the tone in which the comment was made. Really didn't intend to come across quite so po-faced. Couldn't find an appropriate emoticon to tackle the politically correct brigade.
As for sinking any of our ships, they've got all the help they need, called Geoff Hoon IIRC. grrrrrr.
bassfiend said:
Or to a 15 year old who intends to spend 2 years rebuilding it with the help of his uncle before he applies for his provisional ? (My nephew is thinking early mini 850 and his uncle is thinking, where's me vizard book)
YAY! Someone else who has a copy of Tuning the A Series Engine in his collection ... many fun weeks/months were passed putting the stuff in there into practice! Knows his stuff does David Vizard...
Phil
Indeed that old 850 of the wife's was a screem (especially with the anti lock brakes)
Unless there has been an amending Stat Instrument then obligations under Road Vehicles (Reg & Lic) Regs 2002
are as follows
Change of keeper: registration document issued in Great Britain on or after 24th March 1997 and the new keeper not a vehicle trader
22. - (1) This regulation applies where -
(a) there is a change in the keeper of a vehicle;
(b) a vehicle registration document has been issued in respect of the vehicle in Great Britain on or after 24th March 1997; and
(c) the new keeper is not a vehicle trader.
(2) The registered keeper of the vehicle -
(a) if the registration document issued in respect of the vehicle is in his possession, shall deliver to the new keeper that part of the document marked as the part which is to be given to the new keeper; and
(b) shall forthwith deliver the remainder of the registration document to the Secretary of State, duly completed to include the following -
(i) the name and address of the new keeper;
(ii) the date on which the vehicle was sold or transferred to the new keeper;
(iii) a declaration signed by the registered keeper that the details given in accordance with paragraph (i) are correct to the best of his knowledge and that the details given in accordance with paragraph (ii) are correct; and
(iv) a declaration signed by the new keeper that the details given in accordance with paragraphs (i) and (ii) are correct.
No mention of date of birth? Nor is there anything on the DVLA Guidance site for changing vehicles. Coule be a purely admin requirement that you complete or not?
DVD
are as follows
Change of keeper: registration document issued in Great Britain on or after 24th March 1997 and the new keeper not a vehicle trader
22. - (1) This regulation applies where -
(a) there is a change in the keeper of a vehicle;
(b) a vehicle registration document has been issued in respect of the vehicle in Great Britain on or after 24th March 1997; and
(c) the new keeper is not a vehicle trader.
(2) The registered keeper of the vehicle -
(a) if the registration document issued in respect of the vehicle is in his possession, shall deliver to the new keeper that part of the document marked as the part which is to be given to the new keeper; and
(b) shall forthwith deliver the remainder of the registration document to the Secretary of State, duly completed to include the following -
(i) the name and address of the new keeper;
(ii) the date on which the vehicle was sold or transferred to the new keeper;
(iii) a declaration signed by the registered keeper that the details given in accordance with paragraph (i) are correct to the best of his knowledge and that the details given in accordance with paragraph (ii) are correct; and
(iv) a declaration signed by the new keeper that the details given in accordance with paragraphs (i) and (ii) are correct.
No mention of date of birth? Nor is there anything on the DVLA Guidance site for changing vehicles. Coule be a purely admin requirement that you complete or not?
DVD
Its getting more and more difficult for law abiding people to do anything in this country due to the over increasing amount of legislation and rules. You tried opening a bank account recently?
My g/f Lisa half rang Aon the other day to get a quote for insurance on my behalf only to be told that apprently there is a law that they can only speak to the actual proposer. First I'd heard of it.
My g/f Lisa half rang Aon the other day to get a quote for insurance on my behalf only to be told that apprently there is a law that they can only speak to the actual proposer. First I'd heard of it.
Dwight VanDriver said:
No mention of date of birth? Nor is there anything on the DVLA Guidance site for changing vehicles. Coule be a purely admin requirement that you complete or not?
DVD
Looking at the back of my V5 it states that the seller should 'ask the new keeper to write the number of their driving licence in the space provided' which almost sounds voluntary as opposed to tell/force/hit untill compliant. However for other sections like mileage it clearly states '(this is voluntary)'.
I currently have the problem of trying to sell a car to someone who lives a couple of hundred miles away. They are sending a transporter to collect it as it is unroadworthy but the implication of the V5 is that they also need to undertake a several hundred mile round trip just to sign the V5 so that I can send it off. Daft.
>> Edited by rustybin on Friday 23 July 15:42
The Wiz said:
Its getting more and more difficult for law abiding people to do anything in this country due to the over increasing amount of legislation and rules. You tried opening a bank account recently?
Yeah... wasn't hard. All they wanted was 2 forms of ID off a list of "acceptable documents", so I gave them my driving licence and bike insurance. The logic of the situation - that the details on the insurance had been copied off the licence by the broker - didn't seem to bother them.
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