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Latest comments from George Monbiot in the Guardian. All good, thoroughly balanced stuff I think. If we all stuck to the speed limit there'd be no more accidents - or something like that...
MMC
Latest comments from George Monbiot in the Guardian. All good, thoroughly balanced stuff I think. If we all stuck to the speed limit there'd be no more accidents - or something like that...
MMC
Sorry mate, but comments like this do nothing to help PH.
PH has already been misquoted in the article as encouraging sabotage. That was probably gleaned from the forums. Please think before posting - it's PH's reputation that always gets harmed by comments made here - very rarely the inviduals who make them.
nonegreen said:
Stuff which Ted was very uncomfortable with
too true. I use my mountain bike regulary. But the last section back to my house I can only get via road.
Which now has a cycle lane.
Made my journey far more dangerous, because cars just stay in lane now, rather than move out to go round me. skimming the white lines leaves little room for ickle me. stuff cycle lanes I say.
nonegreen said:
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I note that Monbiot mentions this site in the piece, and is probably monitoring the site for just the sort of immoderate cobblers I quote above, keep playing into their hands guys, why don't you? Perhaps another call for armed insurrection would help convince these idiots that we are careful and considerate for our fellow man in all circumstances? sheesh, get fecking grip. Edit:- b**gger beaten to it.
>> Edited by Einion Yrth on Tuesday 27th July 09:52
>> Edited by Einion Yrth on Tuesday 27th July 09:56
George Monbiot said:This just shows what a brainless twonk this guy is. He advocates driving on the limit at all times regardless of conditions.
The other fool might remain a fool, but there isn't much he can do about it. He can't tailgate you, he can't overtake you on a blind bend (the satellite system could produce a different speed limit for every metre of road), he can't play Jenson Button after closing time.
He freely admits that he doesn't drive and has only done so for a couple of years. This apparently gives him the experience and knowledge to rubbish the The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders for their comments.
link said said:
Because what they really want, of course, is to allow people to continue driving without social restraint.
Does anybody here drive like that? Anyone at all?
And secondly, how the hell does he know it will save thousands of lives a year? I suspect it won't. Streetcop has recently posted a thread that shows inattention is the largest cause of accidents. So let's render the right pedal useless and allow people to switch off even more.....
....if we're going this far, let's continue. Let's feed the position of every car into a very large expensive computer and let it control all traffic. Then we can get in the back and sleep instead.
It'll keep me in R&D work for years.
I don't know what you're all upset about. This is great!! I'll be able to drive everywhere with my foot nailed to the floor and not worry about anything else. I can simply get in, no seat belt required as at the limit I am safe, start the engine, mash the pedal into the floor and head off on my merry way, taking no account of road condition, weight of traffic or little Jimmy leaving school just down the road. If I'm limited in my speed then surely there's no way I can have a crash or injure anyone (such is my understanding)
"Aha no" I hear the lentilist cry, "you'll still have to drive responsibly, slowing down where the road requires"
"Oh right" says I "I'm trusted and responsible enough to alter my speed downwards where conditions dictate but not to alter it upwards over your arbitrary limit ahen conditions allow - now I see"
"Aha no" I hear the lentilist cry, "you'll still have to drive responsibly, slowing down where the road requires"
"Oh right" says I "I'm trusted and responsible enough to alter my speed downwards where conditions dictate but not to alter it upwards over your arbitrary limit ahen conditions allow - now I see"
Oh dear.
Some people really do live in la la land don't they.
Usually people totally unqualified to comment on an issue.
Mr Monbiot: Do your Advanced Driving Test with the IAM. Get your ROSPA Gold. Then the ROSPA Diploma. Then actually *need* your car. Or perhaps, shock horror, go on a social outing into the country with a car.
Then decide.
Until you are as qualified as I am kindly keep your uninformed opionions to yourself.
Some people really do live in la la land don't they.
Usually people totally unqualified to comment on an issue.
Mr Monbiot: Do your Advanced Driving Test with the IAM. Get your ROSPA Gold. Then the ROSPA Diploma. Then actually *need* your car. Or perhaps, shock horror, go on a social outing into the country with a car.
Then decide.
Until you are as qualified as I am kindly keep your uninformed opionions to yourself.
BliarOut said:That was my thought. Much to my surprise he hasn't made it up according to Mori.
51% of people want speed restrictors, show your research I say.
On the other hand Mori did some "research" on behalf of the FIA Foundation which gives a more moderate view.
Lies, damned lies and...
I drove a speed-limited (albeit not the fancy satelite stuff talked about) high-performance car for several years and I can't work out what the fuss is about - It just stopped me going over 110mph - no big deal.
In this country already many vehicles have speed limiters (some coaches, trucks, etc).
In Japan the industry has a self-imposed agreement to fit 180kph speed limiters to all cars.
The right type of regulation would get my vote
In this country already many vehicles have speed limiters (some coaches, trucks, etc).
In Japan the industry has a self-imposed agreement to fit 180kph speed limiters to all cars.
The right type of regulation would get my vote
All this will lead to is complacency. "Thumb definitely in bum" mentality driving!
"It's OK Luv, the digital doo-dah will keep us outa trouble - it senses when that little kiddy will bolt across the ropad in fron to me and it does not matter if I hit it cos it is a 50mph speed limit on this road and as my gadget will keep to it - I cannot kill anything! -Reet?"
Nope! It will cause the COA in COAST to go down the pan more so!
That chap right in the head? Like the bit about this site being bunch of "rebels" as well!
Suggest he takes lessons in reading as well - because most on this site and others have suggested far more sensible approaches to controlling the twazaks than this one!
Satellite navigation and total control? And these satellites did land bombs in wrong places in that recent war - did they not?
Computer controls? Given current government computers would not like to bet on standard of this!
And that funicular railway that broke down whilst yours truly was on it ...
... controlled 100% by computer - and I can tell you that being marooned half way up a mountain, 5 months pregnant with one husband a bit nervous of heights, fairly sane 16 year old, twin stroppy 14 year olds and one excitable 6 year old for almost two hours on hottest day of year (a mere 34%) above a sheer drop - all because of a "computer failure" does not inspire me with such great confidence in a digital doo-dah!
Technology for sake of it? Pah!
And as for that bit about saving tens of billions of pounds - I read somewhere that initial set up costs would be 10 billion and rake-in from FINES would be in excess of this!
Warped? Cynical? Me? Never!
"It's OK Luv, the digital doo-dah will keep us outa trouble - it senses when that little kiddy will bolt across the ropad in fron to me and it does not matter if I hit it cos it is a 50mph speed limit on this road and as my gadget will keep to it - I cannot kill anything! -Reet?"
Nope! It will cause the COA in COAST to go down the pan more so!
That chap right in the head? Like the bit about this site being bunch of "rebels" as well!
Suggest he takes lessons in reading as well - because most on this site and others have suggested far more sensible approaches to controlling the twazaks than this one!
Satellite navigation and total control? And these satellites did land bombs in wrong places in that recent war - did they not?
Computer controls? Given current government computers would not like to bet on standard of this!
And that funicular railway that broke down whilst yours truly was on it ...
... controlled 100% by computer - and I can tell you that being marooned half way up a mountain, 5 months pregnant with one husband a bit nervous of heights, fairly sane 16 year old, twin stroppy 14 year olds and one excitable 6 year old for almost two hours on hottest day of year (a mere 34%) above a sheer drop - all because of a "computer failure" does not inspire me with such great confidence in a digital doo-dah!
Technology for sake of it? Pah!
And as for that bit about saving tens of billions of pounds - I read somewhere that initial set up costs would be 10 billion and rake-in from FINES would be in excess of this!
Warped? Cynical? Me? Never!
As a hitherto admirer of Monbiot's strong libertarian anti-authoritarian beliefs I am truly disappointed at his ill researched repetition wonders of the control freaks technofix.
What is it about motor cars that puts such emotive binkers on people. The allusions to the aristocratic elite in their speeding horse drawn carriages mowing down the plebs might appeal to the 'warrior cyclists' amongst us but cars are ( outside the cities) no lionger an elitist symbol but essential transportation
What is it about motor cars that puts such emotive binkers on people. The allusions to the aristocratic elite in their speeding horse drawn carriages mowing down the plebs might appeal to the 'warrior cyclists' amongst us but cars are ( outside the cities) no lionger an elitist symbol but essential transportation
George Monbiot said:
He can't tailgate you, he can't overtake you on a blind bend (the satellite system could produce a different speed limit for every metre of road), he can't play Jenson Button after closing time.
I assume Mr Monbiot or one of his researchers reads this site (I assume he does some research at least
)... So answer this if you will: How will GPS speed restriction stop people tailgating? I would argue it would make it worse by reducing the ammount of thought involved in driving.
How will it stop you being overtaken on a a blind bend? You only have to follow a slow vehicle (ie a caravan) on a twisty road to see the ridiculous risks people will take to get past it. Speed limiters will only compound this problem.
How will it stop drink driving (I assume that's what is meant by the Jensen Button comment.)
You clearly think you are correct so how about entering into a debate with us? I'm sure if you approach Ted he could even set something up so that you won't get flamed too much.
How about doing some proper research and getting some driver training to find out how to make a difference to the accident rate.
Frankly I rate your article at the same level of the gutter press that you deride.
The trouble is that as technology for the sake of technology marches on this will almost inevitably happen. The question is 'does it really matter?'
Society evolves, not necessarily for the better, with the passing of time, and things which we now find acceptable in terms of control over our lives may not have been accepted by earlier generations.
It has not only happened in road transport, but in other areas like private aviation where the controls are greater than ever before due to the crowded skies. Crowded roads will an increasing problem.
Drink-driving was widespread and more-or-less socially acceptable when i learned to drive in the late 50's. Now it is totally unacceptable to most people.
Much as it's sad for those of us who enjoy our driving and are proud of our skills, we are going to have to adapt. Remember, it will be impossible to retro-fit these devices, so we probably have about 15 to 20 years before it will be 100%, at which time our by-then classics will probably be banned from the roads.
Am I being negative. I don't think so.
Society evolves, not necessarily for the better, with the passing of time, and things which we now find acceptable in terms of control over our lives may not have been accepted by earlier generations.
It has not only happened in road transport, but in other areas like private aviation where the controls are greater than ever before due to the crowded skies. Crowded roads will an increasing problem.
Drink-driving was widespread and more-or-less socially acceptable when i learned to drive in the late 50's. Now it is totally unacceptable to most people.
Much as it's sad for those of us who enjoy our driving and are proud of our skills, we are going to have to adapt. Remember, it will be impossible to retro-fit these devices, so we probably have about 15 to 20 years before it will be 100%, at which time our by-then classics will probably be banned from the roads.
Am I being negative. I don't think so.
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