Overtaking on hatched lines
Discussion
You all know the lines, sometimes lovingly referred to as the motorcycle overtaking lane 
Round these parts, the council seems to have stumbled across a surplus load of the stuff. Nearly every out of town road now has these markings down the centre!
Now AFAIK, they mean "should not" cross, not "must not" cross. Solid white lines achieve the "must not cross" objective. Lately, they have also taken to filling them in with red high grip surface too, which means .... We have some spare red high grip stuff left? I can find no meaning in law for the red stuff other than to confuse the numpties.
Apart from the obvious safety ramifications of overtaking against these, what's the legal position? I know it would be deep doo doo if you have a ding!
IMHO, it devalues their potential to warn you of an unexpected hazard as every road now appears to be too dangerous to overtake on
Round these parts, the council seems to have stumbled across a surplus load of the stuff. Nearly every out of town road now has these markings down the centre!
Now AFAIK, they mean "should not" cross, not "must not" cross. Solid white lines achieve the "must not cross" objective. Lately, they have also taken to filling them in with red high grip surface too, which means .... We have some spare red high grip stuff left? I can find no meaning in law for the red stuff other than to confuse the numpties.
Apart from the obvious safety ramifications of overtaking against these, what's the legal position? I know it would be deep doo doo if you have a ding!
IMHO, it devalues their potential to warn you of an unexpected hazard as every road now appears to be too dangerous to overtake on
Hatched markings in the road that are bordered by solid white lines must not be crossed (as we all know, hopefully)...
The hatched markings that are bordered by dotted/broken white lines can be crossed, if safe to do so. However, should an accident occur, the fact that you've entered such an area can go against you and back up any prosecution for sect 1,2 or 3 of the RTA1988.
Street
The hatched markings that are bordered by dotted/broken white lines can be crossed, if safe to do so. However, should an accident occur, the fact that you've entered such an area can go against you and back up any prosecution for sect 1,2 or 3 of the RTA1988.
Street
BliarOut said:
they have also taken to filling them in with red high grip surface too, which means .... We have some spare red high grip stuff left? I can find no meaning in law for the red stuff other than to confuse the numpties.
Apart from the obvious safety ramifications of overtaking
That RED stuff has the frictional co efficient of ice and is actually High Visability surface, which shows up well under sodium lighting.
I will ignore any legal issues and say that IMHO most hatchings have nails and other road debris on them and are thus to be avoided.
I think you agree with me on the issue of the more warnings the more we will think it's ALL b o l l ocks until one day we ignore a warning that should have been there.
That's exactly as I thought. It's just some of the numpties have started to look a little scared when I overtake on them.
Some of the hatched areas change from a dashed line to solid and these are effectively a brick wall.
do not cross! It's quite easy really.
Whatever happened to the nice dashed centre line that used to warn you of hazard and severity? Lots of gap, engage warp. Very little gap, something will probably happen to kill you shortly!!
I was on an unfamiliar road yesterday and it was definitely more difficult to interpret what was coming next as the centre line had been obliterated by this ridiculous paint. Road safety, they wouldn't know it if it bit their ass
Some of the hatched areas change from a dashed line to solid and these are effectively a brick wall.
do not cross! It's quite easy really. Whatever happened to the nice dashed centre line that used to warn you of hazard and severity? Lots of gap, engage warp. Very little gap, something will probably happen to kill you shortly!!
I was on an unfamiliar road yesterday and it was definitely more difficult to interpret what was coming next as the centre line had been obliterated by this ridiculous paint. Road safety, they wouldn't know it if it bit their ass
They are to allow non numpties to see a clear view of the road ahead to aid swift progress. 
They are also dangerous as they are reducing visibilty by moving numpty further to the edge of the road on left hand bends. I can think of one road outside my parents that is now more dangerous for this exact reason. So they stuck a 40 limit on it
They are also dangerous as they are reducing visibilty by moving numpty further to the edge of the road on left hand bends. I can think of one road outside my parents that is now more dangerous for this exact reason. So they stuck a 40 limit on it
If only more people understood the meanings of those crossed lines by the hatched sections. On Sunday I was returning back from Devon and chose the A303 for a more scenic route as opposed to the M5/M4 combination.
I was on my bike, with my wife following on hers when we came across a huge tailback near Stonehenge. As the road had these markings in between the two lanes I decided to filter down them, and the people travelling in my direction were moving over slightly to allow me past (the gesture was certainly appreciated). However, as I'm going past this traffic somebody from the oncoming traffic in a blue Transit van with a caravan on the back decides to head straight for me
and is signalling/mouthing at me to get back in to the traffic. He only decided to pull away at the last minute, but by this time I was already back in the traffic making sure he was getting no-where near to me (my wife pulled in to the same space I did).
I was on my bike, with my wife following on hers when we came across a huge tailback near Stonehenge. As the road had these markings in between the two lanes I decided to filter down them, and the people travelling in my direction were moving over slightly to allow me past (the gesture was certainly appreciated). However, as I'm going past this traffic somebody from the oncoming traffic in a blue Transit van with a caravan on the back decides to head straight for me
and is signalling/mouthing at me to get back in to the traffic. He only decided to pull away at the last minute, but by this time I was already back in the traffic making sure he was getting no-where near to me (my wife pulled in to the same space I did). Hi Scott...
You'll always find some numpty who either hasn't a clue or doesn't like someone making more progress than themselves...
Advanced riding/driving is all about anticipation, reading the road and what can be seen, what can't be seen and what can reasonably be expected.
Keep the shiny side up mate..
Take care,
Street
You'll always find some numpty who either hasn't a clue or doesn't like someone making more progress than themselves...
Advanced riding/driving is all about anticipation, reading the road and what can be seen, what can't be seen and what can reasonably be expected.
Keep the shiny side up mate..
Take care,
Street
Scott W said:
If only more people understood the meanings of those crossed lines by the hatched sections. On Sunday I was returning back from Devon and chose the A303 for a more scenic route as opposed to the M5/M4 combination.
I was on my bike, with my wife following on hers when we came across a huge tailback near Stonehenge. As the road had these markings in between the two lanes I decided to filter down them, and the people travelling in my direction were moving over slightly to allow me past (the gesture was certainly appreciated). However, as I'm going past this traffic somebody from the oncoming traffic in a blue Transit van with a caravan on the back decides to head straight for me
People like that should be pulled out of their cars and beaten severely.
The is absolutely no need to threaten someone with a moving motor vehicle because you "think" they are in the wrong. It is just another case of poorly educated drivers driving like sheep again....
These perticular sections are ideal for increasing your field of view and overtaking slower traffic safely.....
Glad to hear you and your wife are okay.
>> Edited by Fat Audi 80 on Tuesday 27th July 13:43
Hehe, I love it when people get road rage when you manage to get through the traffic much more swiftly, smoothly and safely than someone who is driving enraged to make faster progress cutting people up etc...
I just wait till it's quiet and clear to make progress nowadays though, I can't be arsed rushing as there is always some other idiot going really slowly, or driving badly to endanger you or something nowadays.
That van driver does sound like he was being a twat. It's people like that who cause accidents, not being able to handle someone else making more progress than them through using their brain
Dave
Dave
I just wait till it's quiet and clear to make progress nowadays though, I can't be arsed rushing as there is always some other idiot going really slowly, or driving badly to endanger you or something nowadays.
That van driver does sound like he was being a twat. It's people like that who cause accidents, not being able to handle someone else making more progress than them through using their brain
Dave
Dave
Scott W said:
If only more people understood the meanings of those crossed lines by the hatched sections. On Sunday I was returning back from Devon and chose the A303 for a more scenic route as opposed to the M5/M4 combination.
I was on my bike, with my wife following on hers when we came across a huge tailback near Stonehenge. As the road had these markings in between the two lanes I decided to filter down them, and the people travelling in my direction were moving over slightly to allow me past (the gesture was certainly appreciated). However, as I'm going past this traffic somebody from the oncoming traffic in a blue Transit van with a caravan on the back decides to head straight for me
He'd not been on the Paris Ring road in rush hour.
That unmarked motorbike lane that is between middle and fast lane, about 3 foot wide and is the only bit of the road to have a mach 2 minimum speed limit.
What a w*nker and deserving of being reported - you have a third party witness on another bike - Go for it !
There is a road near us, that is wide enough to have cars overtaking from both directions at once with no chance of a collision, it is that wide, in fact you could even overtake a car that was itself overtaking and wave at a car doing the same thing from the opposite direction too, such was the margin of available space, no exaggeration.
Now they have put cycle lanes on both sides, cross hatched the middle of it, and marked off just a single narrow lane in either direction, so that anyone now overtaking has to pass vehicles that are nearer the middle of the road than the kerb, as they were previously. Also any overtaking vehicle is now likely to be 'head on' with any other overtaker coming from the opposite direction.
There were never any fresh flowers tied to the fencing on this section of road before, now there are fresh flowers regularly.
Its wide enough for six cars, that has not changed, but now cars are positioned so that there is only space for two.
Edited to add: For safe overtaking, now use the cycle lane to undertake!
>> Edited by Balmoral Green on Tuesday 27th July 15:07
Now they have put cycle lanes on both sides, cross hatched the middle of it, and marked off just a single narrow lane in either direction, so that anyone now overtaking has to pass vehicles that are nearer the middle of the road than the kerb, as they were previously. Also any overtaking vehicle is now likely to be 'head on' with any other overtaker coming from the opposite direction.
There were never any fresh flowers tied to the fencing on this section of road before, now there are fresh flowers regularly.
Its wide enough for six cars, that has not changed, but now cars are positioned so that there is only space for two.
Edited to add: For safe overtaking, now use the cycle lane to undertake!
>> Edited by Balmoral Green on Tuesday 27th July 15:07
Balmoral Green said:
There were never any fresh flowers tied to the fencing on this section of road before, now there are fresh flowers regularly.
Its wide enough for six cars, that has not changed, but now cars are positioned so that there is only space for two.
Edited to add: For safe overtaking, now use the cycle lane to undertake!
>> Edited by Balmoral Green on Tuesday 27th July 15:07
Coming to an A road near you !! And no cylist was stupid enough to use it before or after, and take the back scenic route, to avoid the dangers.
When I used to go youth hosteling on a push iron, as a teenager, me and my mates avoided any road that was too fast or too busy or was red on the map, on the grounds that we were having fun.
There is a section of hatching with dotted lines on my drive home.....
It is right next to a turn on to the road where people ALWAYS pull out on me, and it provides an excellent opportunity to over take them as they are travelling slowly.
As there is a bank between me and the other carriageway, there is no danger from oncoming traffic.
Is this legal ?
It is right next to a turn on to the road where people ALWAYS pull out on me, and it provides an excellent opportunity to over take them as they are travelling slowly.
As there is a bank between me and the other carriageway, there is no danger from oncoming traffic.
Is this legal ?
The other day round the north of Oxford (A40) I was a little surprised to come up behind a queue of about 20 cars following some numpty who thought that 30-40mph was more than enough. No-one else was making any progress, so I did. I must have taken about 10 cars (over the course of a number of manouvres) and only about two people registered distaste at my efforts .
FFS you eejits! If I can do it in a 9 year old 1.2 Clio, your 2-2.5 litre piece of Euro-crap can do it!
. FFS you eejits! If I can do it in a 9 year old 1.2 Clio, your 2-2.5 litre piece of Euro-crap can do it!
V8 Archie said:
The other day round the north of Oxford (A40) I was a little surprised to come up behind a queue of about 20 cars following some numpty who thought that 30-40mph was more than enough. No-one else was making any progress, so I did. I must have taken about 10 cars (over the course of a number of manouvres) and only about two people registered distaste at my efforts
FFS you eejits! If I can do it in a 9 year old 1.2 Clio, your 2-2.5 litre piece of Euro-crap can do it!
1.2 Clio
Your name is misleading 
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