What is "Access"
Discussion
I know I should know this but sorry I don't. Everyday on the way to work I come through a town centre which is "Pedestrianised" during the day I.e it has a manned barrier that starts at 0930 and ends 1730 which some poor sole lifts for buses, securicor vans, ambulances etc. However the sign at the start is the motorbike jumping over a car in a red circle (yep I get that one) but under it says "no vehicles between 0930-1730, followed by no vehicles at any other time except for access" or words to that effect. Now I get that I can't go down there during the day but what exactly is meant by "access" at any other time???? can I go down there if I'm going to McDonalds ? to the cashpoint ? to Tesco's ? or if I'm in a lorry delivering to one of the shops ? or even if I want to get access to the road at the other end because its a handy shortcut ? In my book they are all "access".
In a nut shell access means OK with anybody on legitimate business or with reason to enter. It is not for travelling straight through. Often used for pedestrianised areas or to stop ran runs.
Access is not defined under TSGD 2002 but there may an official definition in the Traffic Order covering.
DVD
Access is not defined under TSGD 2002 but there may an official definition in the Traffic Order covering.
DVD
TDTH1975 said:
How can they check - once the barrier is up and you are through - happy days. I would just say you live doen there - after a few weeks, they will probably think you really do.
'access' tends to mean in my opinion access to your place of residence (or maybe even work)
Or to deliver or visit someone in the locality of the 'Access'
A dictionary said:
Access n.
1. A means of approaching, entering, exiting, communicating with, or making use of: a store with easy access.
2. The act of approaching.
3. The ability or right to approach, enter, exit, communicate with, or make use of: has access to the restricted area; has access to classified material.
4. Public access.
5. An increase by addition.
6. An outburst or onset: an access of rage.
I always thought that if you stood your ground on this there is a good chance of argueing that you are allowed to be there, as you need access.
Talking of access to pedestrianised areas, our local council are going to put up those self-raising bollards.
Now Council vehicles and the City's Cathedral staff will have remote fobs to raise and lower them - however, the emergency services will have to phone a Council number to get them lowered!Not sure about the police, but then again we don't see them til there's an adverse press and then all stops are out to provide positive PR in the town centre!
As this is in the middle of a busy town centre and the ambulance gets called out quite often to distressed or sick shoppers I think this is a wonderful idea to cut down on the city's aging population!
Dave
Now Council vehicles and the City's Cathedral staff will have remote fobs to raise and lower them - however, the emergency services will have to phone a Council number to get them lowered!Not sure about the police, but then again we don't see them til there's an adverse press and then all stops are out to provide positive PR in the town centre!
As this is in the middle of a busy town centre and the ambulance gets called out quite often to distressed or sick shoppers I think this is a wonderful idea to cut down on the city's aging population!
Dave
as Dwight says, there is no statutiry definition of "access" and this makes it a real swine to enforce.
Most Authorities now set out what "access" means in each case, in the articles to the specific Traffic Regulation Order for the closure - for example it might say "residents of numbers 1 to 19 Numpty Avenue, driving to a designated residents space within those properties" which would then exclude visitors - or it might say "residents and visitors to..." which is much looser and more difficult to enforce because you could say you were visiting to admire their garden, for example, if you were stopped - so the idea is to keep the definition of "access" as tight as possible, usually.
Most Authorities now set out what "access" means in each case, in the articles to the specific Traffic Regulation Order for the closure - for example it might say "residents of numbers 1 to 19 Numpty Avenue, driving to a designated residents space within those properties" which would then exclude visitors - or it might say "residents and visitors to..." which is much looser and more difficult to enforce because you could say you were visiting to admire their garden, for example, if you were stopped - so the idea is to keep the definition of "access" as tight as possible, usually.
millsee said:
If you enter that area, stop, do your business (so to speak ) and then leave the area, you are OK.
If you get seen just driving through without stopping, you'll get done.
And don't forget town centres have extensive CCTV coverage.
I did this this morning in oxford 9:45ish went through a restricted zone, i did not notice untill i came out the otherside even stopped at some traffic lights. will i get a fine/points?
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