HORT1 Question
Discussion
Imagined scenario (but could have happend when neighbour helped me move my second car across a couple of counties). You are driving somebody elses car with their permission. You are stopped and show a valid driving licence and your own comp insurance certificate to the BiB. You have no documents relating to the vehicle (but RFL is on display). Could you be given a HORT1?
If you have complied with the request for the documents that have asked for, then you should not have to be given a HORT1. This has a different name now it is a DIPS1.
A DIPS1 may be given for any relevant document which could even include the V5. If you cannot produce it at the time, then the DIPS1 may well be written for you to produce it.
DIPS1 can be issued for all documentation including HGV plating certificates etc.
The offence of not being able to produce the relevant item is committed at the time the request. The offence is made out then and not if it cannot be produced in 5 or 7 days time depending on the circs of the request.
So the short answer to your question in those circumstances is
A DIPS1 may be given for any relevant document which could even include the V5. If you cannot produce it at the time, then the DIPS1 may well be written for you to produce it.
DIPS1 can be issued for all documentation including HGV plating certificates etc.
The offence of not being able to produce the relevant item is committed at the time the request. The offence is made out then and not if it cannot be produced in 5 or 7 days time depending on the circs of the request.
So the short answer to your question in those circumstances is
kenp said:
Well how could you legally and reasonably be expected to produce the MOT cert and V5 that does not belong to you ie you have no legal control over?
You cannot. That is why the law allows 5 or 7 days for you to do so. The offence though,is committed at the time of the request to produce it and not when you fail to do so 5 or 7 days later.
It is 7 days for the licence and insurance. For the more unusual requests, e.g. a log book, I believe they have to be produced as soon as reasonably practicable. This is to account for the fact a V5 may have been sent off to the DVLA etc... or it may be in the process of being applied for.
gone said:
This has a different name now it is a DIPS1.
the mind realy boggles at this.......i wonder how much this little change of name cost.....and what was the point of changing the name in the first place?
i mean...dips1 as a name for a 7-day wonder,what next?....well,here's a few ideas!!!........
1.zebidee1 for jaywalking.
2.noddyandhislittleyellowcar3 for no roadtax.
3.flobalobalobble2 for getting head in a public place?
4.dougalanddylan1 for posession of cocaine?
the police........govourned by morons and paperwork set-up by cbbc!.
Production of Driving Licence at a later date has to be done by the person to whom the RT/1 was issued. i.e. in person. In regards to Insurance, this can be produced by anyone at a later date following a request under 165 RTA 88.
Neither is there any requirement at law that a form should be issued.
Not many know that....
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Monday 2nd August 08:00
Neither is there any requirement at law that a form should be issued.
Not many know that....
DVD
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Monday 2nd August 08:00
Isn't it wonderful that HMG should regard the V5 as such an important document that you have to produce it togther with (commonly) your driving licence when obtaining legal number-plates ... but they still (effectively) expect you to drive around with it in the vehicle or on your person!
Streaky
Streaky
xxplod said:
It is 7 days for the licence and insurance. For the more unusual requests, e.g. a log book, I believe they have to be produced as soon as reasonably practicable. This is to account for the fact a V5 may have been sent off to the DVLA etc... or it may be in the process of being applied for.
Have you forgotton about Injury accidents
? The time limit is different and not 7 days!
kenp said:
Are you saying that if I hire a car which is more than three years old (yes, there are some) then the hirer is obliged to give me the MOT cert in order that I can comply with the law to produce it on demand?
No.
If you cannot though, you commit an offence there and then.
The law allows non production at the time 'an out' (exemption) of 7 or 5 days depending on the circumstances of the request to produce.
So if you are in a hire car that is more than 3 years old and you are asked to produce the MOT, you will not be able to until you return the car and ask for the MOT. The Hire Company can produce on your behalf (either insurance or MOT or any other document requested). You only have to produce the licence bit personally.
Gone - you are misleading a little with the requirements at an injury RTA. This places the obligation on a driver to REPORT an accident to a constable or Police station as soon as practicable and in any case within 24 hours. This obligation, under S170 RTA is a different matter to being asked to produced whichever documents.
xxplod said:
Gone - you are misleading a little with the requirements at an injury RTA. This places the obligation on a driver to REPORT an accident to a constable or Police station as soon as practicable and in any case within 24 hours. This obligation, under S170 RTA is a different matter to being asked to produced whichever documents.
No, not at all.
Look it up,
Insurance after an injury accident must be produced within 5 days of the request if not done so at the time. Not 7 days.
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