Validating a BiB
Discussion
Following on from a question I embedded in another post, how do you validate a warrant card?
Let's assume a "BiB" (in or out of uniform) shows you a warrant card. How do you check that it is valid?
Even if you have a cellular telephone with you, do you know the number of the local police station? Do you know the number for headquarters? Do you even know what police "service" area you are in?
Of course, you could call directory enquiries (and probably be given the number for the "Black Hole of Calcutta").
Would this have been something the "888" service would have enabled? Why isn't there a national non-emergency number ... even an 0800 or 0845 number?
How do you validate a warrant card?
Streaky
Let's assume a "BiB" (in or out of uniform) shows you a warrant card. How do you check that it is valid?
Even if you have a cellular telephone with you, do you know the number of the local police station? Do you know the number for headquarters? Do you even know what police "service" area you are in?
Of course, you could call directory enquiries (and probably be given the number for the "Black Hole of Calcutta").
Would this have been something the "888" service would have enabled? Why isn't there a national non-emergency number ... even an 0800 or 0845 number?
How do you validate a warrant card?
Streaky
Good question Streaky..
It's difficult one to answer really...especially if the situation occurs outdoors. I mean, if it's on your doorstep and you have real doubts, ask the officer to surrender the warrant card to you, take it indoors leaving the Bib locked out and then phone your local police station (number in the phone book, if you don't know it) and relay the details you have to them.
On the streets; most forces have warrant cards in leather wallets. There is a badge on the right hand side which is usually metal or the plastic staybright stuff and the id, with picture on the left. My best advice would be; if you are really suspicious ask that the officer removed the photo id and inspect it. There will always be text onthe back along the lines of '"If found, hand in to nearest police station. Unauthorised retention of this card is an offence" etc..Tricksters and such like, wont go to the lengths of having that on the back of the card.
If in doubt, don't go anywhere with the officer, don't let him in your car and ask that he radios for uniformed officers to attend at the scene.
Street
It's difficult one to answer really...especially if the situation occurs outdoors. I mean, if it's on your doorstep and you have real doubts, ask the officer to surrender the warrant card to you, take it indoors leaving the Bib locked out and then phone your local police station (number in the phone book, if you don't know it) and relay the details you have to them.
On the streets; most forces have warrant cards in leather wallets. There is a badge on the right hand side which is usually metal or the plastic staybright stuff and the id, with picture on the left. My best advice would be; if you are really suspicious ask that the officer removed the photo id and inspect it. There will always be text onthe back along the lines of '"If found, hand in to nearest police station. Unauthorised retention of this card is an offence" etc..Tricksters and such like, wont go to the lengths of having that on the back of the card.
If in doubt, don't go anywhere with the officer, don't let him in your car and ask that he radios for uniformed officers to attend at the scene.
Street
St - identity cards (even warrant cards) are a joke! I've lost count of the number of times I've entered (supposedly) secure premises with a fake ID (in the course of my job, that is!).
But the best was when I was stopped in a traffic census and refused to answer the stroppy census-taker's questions about my movements. He called the police officer who was stopping the cars whilst I waited patiently in my car. The officer (who was also somewhat stroppy ... but it must have been a boring job) started off on the wrong foot by agressive questioning and insisting that I got out of the car. I got out and asked him to step to the rear of the car. Looking rather surprised, he did so. I then showed him my identity card and explained that Her Majesty might not approve of me answering the census taker's questions honestly and that lying would distort the census.
The officer looked at the face of of the card with its Crown and portcullis insignia and my photograph; and turned it over to read that I was authorised to enter premises designated as, "Prohibited places under the Official Secrets Act 1911".
Turning to the census-taker, the constable ordered him, "Don't ask questions, let him go!"
He then held my car door open for me, saluted and stopped the traffic so I could pull out and away
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Streaky
- identity cards (even warrant cards) are a joke! I've lost count of the number of times I've entered (supposedly) secure premises with a fake ID (in the course of my job, that is!). But the best was when I was stopped in a traffic census and refused to answer the stroppy census-taker's questions about my movements. He called the police officer who was stopping the cars whilst I waited patiently in my car. The officer (who was also somewhat stroppy ... but it must have been a boring job) started off on the wrong foot by agressive questioning and insisting that I got out of the car. I got out and asked him to step to the rear of the car. Looking rather surprised, he did so. I then showed him my identity card and explained that Her Majesty might not approve of me answering the census taker's questions honestly and that lying would distort the census.
The officer looked at the face of of the card with its Crown and portcullis insignia and my photograph; and turned it over to read that I was authorised to enter premises designated as, "Prohibited places under the Official Secrets Act 1911".
Turning to the census-taker, the constable ordered him, "Don't ask questions, let him go!"
He then held my car door open for me, saluted and stopped the traffic so I could pull out and away
. Streaky
PMPLstreaky said:
The officer looked at the face of of the card with its Crown and portcullis insignia and my photograph; and turned it over to read that I was authorised to enter premises designated as, "Prohibited places under the Official Secrets Act 1911".
Streaky
I used to have one of those Id cards whilst working in IT at various MoD sites.
I always hoped for some officious prat to stop and question me so I could say "I cannot answer that." to every question, show the Id and let them assume I was some kind of James Bond.
Sad, I know but unfortunately I never got the opportunity.
Is it against the OSA to state that you cannot answer due to the OSA?
And are you ever allowed to mention what you learnt while under that 'non-disclosure agreement'?
Every time I start a new MOD or such contract I have to sign another copy 'for their records' so I limited by them all at the same time?
And are you ever allowed to mention what you learnt while under that 'non-disclosure agreement'?
Every time I start a new MOD or such contract I have to sign another copy 'for their records' so I limited by them all at the same time?
streaky said:
St
True - complete waste of time and the crazy fool with the blind dog needs to be stopped
streaky said:
But the best was when I was stopped in a traffic census and refused to answer the stroppy census-taker's questions about my movements.
I then showed him my identity card and explained that Her Majesty might not approve of me answering the census taker's questions honestly and that lying would distort the census.
Don't need a card for this. While you have to stop no obligation to partake in the survey. A polite no and I'll be on my way will do
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