flashed by red light camera

[lunarscope]

This morning I was flashed by a red light camera.
This was at a crossroads in a 60mph limit.
I slowed down to 50 as I approached (lights on green) just in case it changed but it changed to amber just before (15 yards) I reached the stop line. As it was raining heavily I made a split-second judgement to continue rather than risk skidding into the junction. Unfortunately, as I entered the junction the camera flashed (once I think). This has really pissed me off as to stop would have been dangerous.
Does anyone know if these camera pictures are analysed by BiB or it is a case of an automatic NIP.

[docevi1]

automatic NIP, and you will have a huge fight on your hands to try and prove your innocence.

From my experience you've got 3 points and a £60 fine - not a blessed thing you can do about it.

[lunarscope]

Cheers,
Fingers crossed then.

[docevi1]

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[pdV6]

Sounds like you need to pray that the camera was out of film, Lunar. A red light cam doesn't need to take 2 pics as your speed isn't relevant to the offence. To get flashed, the amber must have switched to red just before you actually crossed the line.

I'm sure we've all been there, but unfortunately it sounds as though your initial decision to ease off simply wasn't enough for the road conditions, i.e. what was the point in easing off "just in case it changed" but not enough to be of any use? You'd have been better off either continuing at 60mph and passing the light on green (or amber!) or making more allowance for the rain and giving yourself a fighting chance of stopping before the light.

FWIW I'd probably have done the same on a "normal" set of lights, but if I knew there was a camera on the junction I'd have slowed more, sooner.

Saying that, I've been trying to think of one but can't come up with an example of an NSL road with traffic lights on it that doesn't have a lower limit around the junction. Not saying they don't exist; just can't think of one off-hand.

[TripleS]

pdV6 said:

Sounds like you need to pray that the camera was out of film, Lunar. A red light cam doesn't need to take 2 pics as your speed isn't relevant to the offence. To get flashed, the amber must have switched to red just before you actually crossed the line. I'm sure we've all been there, but unfortunately it sounds as though your initial decision to ease off simply wasn't enough for the road conditions, i.e. what was the point in easing off "just in case it changed" but not enough to be of any use? You'd have been better off either continuing at 60mph and passing the light on green (or amber!) or making more allowance for the rain and giving yourself a fighting chance of stopping before the light. FWIW I'd probably have done the same on a "normal" set of lights, but if I knew there was a camera on the junction I'd have slowed more, sooner. Saying that, I've been trying to think of one but can't come up with an example of an NSL road with traffic lights on it that doesn't have a lower limit around the junction. Not saying they don't exist; just can't think of one off-hand.

I don't know it in detail, but does the A580 qualify?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[ashes]

A worry of mine when I drive my horse lorry - there is a 'point of no return' at which you have to carry on - even jamming on the brakes at 20mph can be fatal (don't fancy horse joining me in the cab!)

are there no exceptions? An artic can start going thru the lights on green and the tail gets the red (seen it happen)

[lunarscope]

pdV6 said:

Sounds like you need to pray that the camera was out of film, Lunar. A red light cam doesn't need to take 2 pics as your speed isn't relevant to the offence. To get flashed, the amber must have switched to red just before you actually crossed the line. I'm sure we've all been there, but unfortunately it sounds as though your initial decision to ease off simply wasn't enough for the road conditions, i.e. what was the point in easing off "just in case it changed" but not enough to be of any use? You'd have been better off either continuing at 60mph and passing the light on green (or amber!) or making more allowance for the rain and giving yourself a fighting chance of stopping before the light. FWIW I'd probably have done the same on a "normal" set of lights, but if I knew there was a camera on the junction I'd have slowed more, sooner. Saying that, I've been trying to think of one but can't come up with an example of an NSL road with traffic lights on it that doesn't have a lower limit around the junction. Not saying they don't exist; just can't think of one off-hand.

A550 Two Mills, Wirral.

[lunarscope]

pdV6 said:

Sounds like you need to pray that the camera was out of film, Lunar. A red light cam doesn't need to take 2 pics as your speed isn't relevant to the offence. To get flashed, the amber must have switched to red just before you actually crossed the line. I'm sure we've all been there, but unfortunately it sounds as though your initial decision to ease off simply wasn't enough for the road conditions, i.e. what was the point in easing off "just in case it changed" but not enough to be of any use? You'd have been better off either continuing at 60mph and passing the light on green (or amber!) or making more allowance for the rain and giving yourself a fighting chance of stopping before the light. FWIW I'd probably have done the same on a "normal" set of lights, but if I knew there was a camera on the junction I'd have slowed more, sooner. Saying that, I've been trying to think of one but can't come up with an example of an NSL road with traffic lights on it that doesn't have a lower limit around the junction. Not saying they don't exist; just can't think of one off-hand.

That's just given me a thought.
Are traffic lights allowed on NSL roads ?
I also seem to remember someone mentioning that there must be a lower limit around the junction.
BTW, the junction was A550 Two Mills, Wirral.

[bluesandtwos]

lunarscope said:

That's just given me a thought. Are traffic lights allowed on NSL roads ? I also seem to remember someone mentioning that there must be a lower limit around the junction. BTW, the junction was A550 Two Mills, Wirral.

The A580 is NSL and has ATS all over the shop.

I always lift and slow to about 45-50 and drop my windows as I approach the ATS (to hear any sirens etc) and cover the brake.

In relation to your question - the ATS camera is usually set to 1 second on red arm, so in theory, you had 3 seconds of amber (generally 3 seconds on NSL roads) and 1 second of red. Could you have misjudged your distance from the ATS or been distracted when it turned amber?

Might be your lucky day and run out of film any way?

Good luck

[instructor]

Many years ago I had a motor parts business... we once had spate of mistakes with orders for number plates (that cost me a fair bit in wasted plates I have to say!), and eventually discovered the cause to be a dyslexic counter sales lad! LOL

With all these cameras around, and the government encouraging businesses to provide employment opportunities for people with disabilities, I was wondering...

Is there possibly a gap in the market for a chain of replacement number plate outlets entirely manned by dyslexic order takers?

[sadako]

You could go to the traffic lights with a camcorder, record the sequence then work out how long in secconds the yellow phaze is by counting the frames when played back at slomo. You could argue that it is not possible to slow down at the speed limit. Calculate how long in seconds it would take a vehicle to slow down from the limit to stopping while emergency braking. Compare times. Could be a case for those yellow light scammers