Police Pursuits - Fatalities Down
Police Pursuits - Fatalities Down
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Tonyrec

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3,984 posts

278 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Latest figures show that Police Pursuit Fatalities have fallen for the first time in 5 years.
In 2002-3, it is shown that 31 people died as a result of a Pursuit.
16 of these were driving the pursued vehicle
7 were passengers in the pursued vehicle
2 were Pedestrians
6 were sadly in vehicles that were not connected in any way shape or form of the Pursuit.

Why do you think that the fatalities are lower?

hornet

6,333 posts

273 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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The cynic in me would say it's due to there not being enough police to have a pursuit to start with.

mechsympathy

57,252 posts

278 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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hornet said:
The cynic in me would say it's due to there not being enough police to have a pursuit to start with.


That was my first thought.

Has there been a change in pursuit policy or training? More choppers? Fewer twoccers?

dazren

22,612 posts

284 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Tonyrec said:
Why do you think that the fatalities are lower?

Because the decision to press on and nail the scrote has been taken away from the pursuing police driver and given to some senior paper pusher back at plod HQ. This has resulted in far more chases being abandoned.

DAZ

medicineman

1,817 posts

260 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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More use of vehicle tracking systems and wider use of force helicopters?

plotloss

67,280 posts

293 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Are there any figures going back for the amount of pursuits being entered into?

Or is this yet another worthless, spinning statistic?

r32

401 posts

275 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Tonyrec said:
Latest figures show that Police Pursuit Fatalities have fallen for the first time in 5 years.
In 2002-3, it is shown that 31 people died as a result of a Pursuit.
16 of these were driving the pursued vehicle
7 were passengers in the pursued vehicle
2 were Pedestrians
6 were sadly in vehicles that were not connected in any way shape or form of the Pursuit.

Why do you think that the fatalities are lower?



The cynic in may thinks that more pursuits are called off...

>> Edited by r32 on Monday 9th August 16:44

GiJoe

74 posts

260 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Would prefer to see this figure expressed as a percentage of pursuits undertaken or authorised.

bluesandtwos

357 posts

283 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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If the offender can be identified then the pursuit is often called off - esp at peak hours / poor conditions.

Would also say things like stinger, tracker, helicopters etc etc also help.

Would like to think that cars are getting safer too so crashes are resulting in less deaths any way.

Training of BiB is better (cough) and yes, there are less trafpol. LOL!

bluesandtwos

357 posts

283 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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ooops.


>> Edited by bluesandtwos on Monday 9th August 18:01

nonegreen

7,803 posts

293 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Must be because of speed cameras surely

millsee

88 posts

261 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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nonegreen said:
Must be because of speed cameras surely


Exactly. The car being pursued is clearly slowing down to the correct limit at the camera sites, which are only placed there to make sure the accident rate is lowered.

Peter Ward

2,097 posts

279 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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How far "down"? Is the drop statistically significant or random fluctuation? As the figure must be a function of the number/length of pursuits, did the number of pursuits go down in the same period? And what about the SI bit of KSI? Or do you only report on fatalities? This would be odd when the focus is on KSIs for the rest of the motoring public.

PS. Not a dig at the police. Just wanting to get some more facts.

will crash

202 posts

273 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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The primary factor in the decrease in Police chase fatalities is down to the number of Police chases terminated by CAD operators in Control rooms, who look at a drop down list of reasons to terminate pursuits, if any of these reasons is applicable then the pursuit is terminated. This happens with 90% of Police pursuits.
Very soon the only type of Police driver to be trained in pursuit training will be Traffic Patrol....and that is a FACT.

Peter Ward

2,097 posts

279 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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So the control room is actually seeking reasons to terminate a pursuit? I hope the drop-down list has some good solid reasons in, not just "need more doughnuts" or "end of shift approaching"

WildCat

8,369 posts

266 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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will crash said:

Very soon the only type of Police driver to be trained in pursuit training will be Traffic Patrol....and that is a FACT.


Und since there will be less and less of you being recruited - there will soon be no pursuits at all....

g_attrill

8,721 posts

269 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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I would say that a fall in car crime would have a large effect.

I have no idea of the figures but I suspect that most chases are started when a stolen car is spotted.

In Portsmouth they surveiled and locked up a dozen prolific motor vehicle criminals and the number of cars stolen halved.

Gareth

Tonyrec

Original Poster:

3,984 posts

278 months

Tuesday 10th August 2004
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WildCat said:

will crash said:

Very soon the only type of Police driver to be trained in pursuit training will be Traffic Patrol....and that is a FACT.



Und since there will be less and less of you being recruited - there will soon be no pursuits at all....


Which would be a very sad day as some slags need stopping and locking up.!