NFA from police but confiscated item still not retrievable
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(This is a dummy account which I have made for this post, I am by no means new to the forum)
Around new year, I was stopped by police and to cut a long story short my passenger had around £1k of cannabis on his person, in deal bags (I know, I know...)
Anyway, I was hauled into custody along with said dopeman, allegations of PWITS
My car was impounded and a certain "fruity" smartphone was taken for forensic examinalizationings.
The car was returned to me the following day, with no charge from the recovery people at all, which is nice.
After attending bail several times and being rebailed each time without interview, finally I was given a NFA decision. This was verbally mentioned to myself around this time last week, no letter, nothing written at all.
At this time I was given the location of said fruity smartphone, it's reference number and niche number, and told I can have it back as it is no longer "needed".
Having been to the station where it's kept (it's a different one to where I was arrested) once, and phoning them again a few days later, I have been told that they haven't received authorisation to release it! Basically blaming the OIC for failing to update the records, promising to chase it up with the OIC, taking my phone number and most likely filing it in the place where their empty coffee cups go.
Can anyone on here clarify the process? Does the OIC actually send a letter to the property store or something? I would have assumed it would be done electronically. And should I not have had the NFA decision in writing? This seems quite bizarre to say the least. The smartphone is mine, was on contract (they had it so long the contract's ended now) and my passenger didn't do anything incriminating on it, nor did I. Apologies for the long post. This is a neverending story and I was hoping someone in law enforcement or police station admin could shed light onto what the normal procedure would be for this?
Around new year, I was stopped by police and to cut a long story short my passenger had around £1k of cannabis on his person, in deal bags (I know, I know...)
Anyway, I was hauled into custody along with said dopeman, allegations of PWITS
My car was impounded and a certain "fruity" smartphone was taken for forensic examinalizationings.
The car was returned to me the following day, with no charge from the recovery people at all, which is nice.
After attending bail several times and being rebailed each time without interview, finally I was given a NFA decision. This was verbally mentioned to myself around this time last week, no letter, nothing written at all.
At this time I was given the location of said fruity smartphone, it's reference number and niche number, and told I can have it back as it is no longer "needed".
Having been to the station where it's kept (it's a different one to where I was arrested) once, and phoning them again a few days later, I have been told that they haven't received authorisation to release it! Basically blaming the OIC for failing to update the records, promising to chase it up with the OIC, taking my phone number and most likely filing it in the place where their empty coffee cups go.
Can anyone on here clarify the process? Does the OIC actually send a letter to the property store or something? I would have assumed it would be done electronically. And should I not have had the NFA decision in writing? This seems quite bizarre to say the least. The smartphone is mine, was on contract (they had it so long the contract's ended now) and my passenger didn't do anything incriminating on it, nor did I. Apologies for the long post. This is a neverending story and I was hoping someone in law enforcement or police station admin could shed light onto what the normal procedure would be for this?
1. When you answered bail for the final time you should get a printout that says "Bail cancellation" with a reference to there being no further action underneath.
2. The property won't be released until the OIC authorises it, which he should have done once the case has been NFA'd. Best way to get it back is to ring 101 with the details so the OIC gets reminders that are auditable.
3. To avoid such unpleasantness in the future, don't transport criminals around.
4.
lemonsqueezy said:
After attending bail several times and being rebailed each time without interview, finally I was given a NFA decision. This was verbally mentioned to myself around this time last week, no letter, nothing written at all.
FFS. This does my absolute sodding t*ts in. It's "verbally mentioned to ME" not "to MYSELF". Same as the slow-witted customer service f*ckwits who constantly refer to me as "yourself" and not "you". It's a way of speaking adopted by morons labouring under the delusion that it makes them sound more formal when all it does is make them sound like uneducated spacktards.Sorry OP, I was headed rapidly OT there.
If I'm still in the same boat next week I'll probably do that. Just don't want to rub the OIC up the wrong way, I know what NFA means in the literal meaning of the words but not so sure what it means in legalese. Karma dictates that if I get the officer involved grief from above, and ended up in their station again in the future, they would remember me as the guy that "told on them", but equally, I would have thought things would have been finalised prior to my hearing of the NFA decision. BTW, I had to actually say "so does that mean I can get my fruity touch screen device back", which seemed to jog their memory and cause them to initiate the return process, I did it in a Columbo style "oh and there is one more thing" kind of way, at the point where the officer was about to go back into their private bit of the station
Plod here. 
You are entitled to your phone back if it is no longer required and we're not petty enough to remember someone complaining about not receiving their property promptly and then marking their cards for future reference.
Besides, you're not going to get in trouble again, are you?
Go to the station in question and ask to speak with the duty inspector. Explain, politely, the circs and that you would like your phone back. Mention the fact that you were bailed several times and that this is dragging on beyond acceptable time limits.
He or she should give the required kick up the backside to the OIC.
And finally, I concur on the 'myself' thing. Use the word 'me' instead.
Good luck!
You are entitled to your phone back if it is no longer required and we're not petty enough to remember someone complaining about not receiving their property promptly and then marking their cards for future reference.
Besides, you're not going to get in trouble again, are you?
Go to the station in question and ask to speak with the duty inspector. Explain, politely, the circs and that you would like your phone back. Mention the fact that you were bailed several times and that this is dragging on beyond acceptable time limits.
He or she should give the required kick up the backside to the OIC.
And finally, I concur on the 'myself' thing. Use the word 'me' instead.
Good luck!
Sparta VAG said:
FFS. This does my absolute sodding t*ts in. It's "verbally mentioned to ME" not "to MYSELF". Same as the slow-witted customer service f*ckwits who constantly refer to me as "yourself" and not "you". It's a way of speaking adopted by morons labouring under the delusion that it makes them sound more formal when all it does is make them sound like uneducated spacktards.
Sorry OP, I was headed rapidly OT there.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. Well said, Sparta. Sorry OP, I was headed rapidly OT there.
Sparta VAG said:
1. When you answered bail for the final time you should get a printout that says "Bail cancellation" with a reference to there being no further action underneath.
2. The property won't be released until the OIC authorises it, which he should have done once the case has been NFA'd. Best way to get it back is to ring 101 with the details so the OIC gets reminders that are auditable.
3. To avoid such unpleasantness in the future, don't transport criminals around.
4.
lemonsqueezy said:
After attending bail several times and being rebailed each time without interview, finally I was given a NFA decision. This was verbally mentioned to myself around this time last week, no letter, nothing written at all.
FFS. This does my absolute sodding t*ts in. It's "verbally mentioned to ME" not "to MYSELF". Same as the slow-witted customer service f*ckwits who constantly refer to me as "yourself" and not "you". It's a way of speaking adopted by morons labouring under the delusion that it makes them sound more formal when all it does is make them sound like uneducated spacktards.
Sorry OP, I was headed rapidly OT there.
1. Nope, I got nothing, when I phoned the custody suite from reception I was told it had been NFA so I could go, after asking about my phone the OIC was sent out to discuss.2. The property won't be released until the OIC authorises it, which he should have done once the case has been NFA'd. Best way to get it back is to ring 101 with the details so the OIC gets reminders that are auditable.
3. To avoid such unpleasantness in the future, don't transport criminals around.
4.
lemonsqueezy said:
After attending bail several times and being rebailed each time without interview, finally I was given a NFA decision. This was verbally mentioned to myself around this time last week, no letter, nothing written at all.
FFS. This does my absolute sodding t*ts in. It's "verbally mentioned to ME" not "to MYSELF". Same as the slow-witted customer service f*ckwits who constantly refer to me as "yourself" and not "you". It's a way of speaking adopted by morons labouring under the delusion that it makes them sound more formal when all it does is make them sound like uneducated spacktards.
Sorry OP, I was headed rapidly OT there.
2. Ah, 101, I will give that a try after a few more days if it's still outstanding, as I say I don't want to get on their bad side but, at the same time, I want my phone back so I can put all this behind me. I had been ringing the station front desks who didn't seem to want to know.
3. Fair point!
4. I actually dislike the shopkeeper, "yourself" thing as well, still, the fact that you highlighted only one word out of 352 means most of my communication skills are up to scratch, so big up yourself. Or should that be, big up you? I'm not to sure about that myself
As for OT, this is PH, lets just say I have seen worse on here
jamesson said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. Well said, Sparta.
It's my current rage-trigger. Yesterday someone rang me up to say "You've had your mobile contract for 6 weeks now, we just wanted to ring and make sure that everything is alright with yourself."Had he been in the same room and I would have had to drag him outside and kick him the length of the street.
jamesson said:
Plod here.
You are entitled to your phone back if it is no longer required and we're not petty enough to remember someone complaining about not receiving their property promptly and then marking their cards for future reference.
Besides, you're not going to get in trouble again, are you?
Go to the station in question and ask to speak with the duty inspector. Explain, politely, the circs and that you would like your phone back. Mention the fact that you were bailed several times and that this is dragging on beyond acceptable time limits.
He or she should give the required kick up the backside to the OIC.
And finally, I concur on the 'myself' thing. Use the word 'me' instead.
Good luck!
Thanks, I'll do that if it isn't resolved in the next few days. When you say the station in question did you mean the one I was detained at, or the one where the property store is located?You are entitled to your phone back if it is no longer required and we're not petty enough to remember someone complaining about not receiving their property promptly and then marking their cards for future reference.
Besides, you're not going to get in trouble again, are you?
Go to the station in question and ask to speak with the duty inspector. Explain, politely, the circs and that you would like your phone back. Mention the fact that you were bailed several times and that this is dragging on beyond acceptable time limits.
He or she should give the required kick up the backside to the OIC.
And finally, I concur on the 'myself' thing. Use the word 'me' instead.
Good luck!
I'm not looking to get into trouble again, you're right about that. The food was not as bad as it's often made out to be, but I much prefer the mattress I have at home!
Sparta VAG said:
It's my current rage-trigger. Yesterday someone rang me up to say "You've had your mobile contract for 6 weeks now, we just wanted to ring and make sure that everything is alright with yourself."
Had he been in the same room and I would have had to drag him outside and kick him the length of the street.
But sir, did you enjoy your free ringding?Had he been in the same room and I would have had to drag him outside and kick him the length of the street.
jamesson said:
Whichever station the OIC works at would be the first port of call. Hopefully you'll stand a better chance of the inspector knowing who the officer is.
Ah, that one's a bit out of the way but still I'll take your advice if this goes on much longer, the retro phone I've been using for the last X months needs to meet the business end of a claw hammer sooner rather than later, it's driving me up the wall!Can you not find out when the oic is back on duty and then contact their office at the start of their shift?
Or,get their email address via the 101 number-it will be a generic one,ending @insert police force.pnn.police.uk
This will be accessible to members of the public and should sort the issue semi quickly.
No help to yourself but unfortunately, updating detained property issues is probably very low on officers' lists of things to do.
Bare In mind that pending their work load,they will have to contact the dp officer (civvy,so 9-4)and arrange to either pick it up from where it is now held(central stores-office hours),arrange for it to be placed in an overnight store,for them to pick up or hopefully,just email a release to the dp officer,so that you can pick it up in person.
HTH and hopefully it will mean that you don't need to spend hours waiting to speak to the duty Inspector (sure the oic will be quaking!) for a message job that can be sorted out by other means!
Or,get their email address via the 101 number-it will be a generic one,ending @insert police force.pnn.police.uk
This will be accessible to members of the public and should sort the issue semi quickly.
No help to yourself but unfortunately, updating detained property issues is probably very low on officers' lists of things to do.
Bare In mind that pending their work load,they will have to contact the dp officer (civvy,so 9-4)and arrange to either pick it up from where it is now held(central stores-office hours),arrange for it to be placed in an overnight store,for them to pick up or hopefully,just email a release to the dp officer,so that you can pick it up in person.
HTH and hopefully it will mean that you don't need to spend hours waiting to speak to the duty Inspector (sure the oic will be quaking!) for a message job that can be sorted out by other means!
Edited by Billyray911 on Thursday 19th July 12:07
Sparta VAG said:
It's my current rage-trigger. Yesterday someone rang me up to say "You've had your mobile contract for 6 weeks now, we just wanted to ring and make sure that everything is alright with yourself."
Had he been in the same room and I would have had to drag him outside and kick him the length of the street.
Argh!Had he been in the same room and I would have had to drag him outside and kick him the length of the street.
Two recent examples I came across. An operations manual which said "Please pass on to a colleague when no longer required by yourself" Why anyone thought the last two words were even necessary is beyond me.
Secondly, when presenting a prisoner to the custody sergeant I was asked "Was Mr Smith arrested by yourself?" I replied "No, PC Jones helped me", and was met by an utterly vacant stare.
Billyray911 said:
Can you not find out when the oic is back on duty and then contact their office at the start of their shift?
Or,get their email address via the 101 number-it will be a generic one,ending @insert police force.pnn.police.uk
This will be accessible to members of the public and should sort the issue semi quickly.
No help to yourself but unfortunately, updating detained property issues is probably very low on officers' lists of things to do.
Bare In mind that pending their work load,they will have to contact the dp officer (civvy,so 9-4)and arrange to either pick it up from where it is now held(central stores-office hours),arrange for it to be placed in an overnight store,for them to pick up or hopefully,just email a release to the dp officer,so that you can pick it up in person.
HTH
I understand, it's not high priority for them. I don't know what a dp officer is? I did suspect that it might have been shipped off to some storage place other than the station's property store, as the station I have been told I am to collect it from isn't exactly massiveOr,get their email address via the 101 number-it will be a generic one,ending @insert police force.pnn.police.uk
This will be accessible to members of the public and should sort the issue semi quickly.
No help to yourself but unfortunately, updating detained property issues is probably very low on officers' lists of things to do.
Bare In mind that pending their work load,they will have to contact the dp officer (civvy,so 9-4)and arrange to either pick it up from where it is now held(central stores-office hours),arrange for it to be placed in an overnight store,for them to pick up or hopefully,just email a release to the dp officer,so that you can pick it up in person.
HTH
"When it comes to being plug one It's just me myself and I"
(for anyone too young... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3kgjzUsDeg )
(for anyone too young... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3kgjzUsDeg )
It's reflexive, so you use it when referring back to yourself.
(See what I did there?)
That's why sentences like "I was wondering if I could talk to yourself" make no sense because "I" and "yourself" don't match.
Even more absurd examples like "Please follow myself" or "Myself and my friend went to..." are, as Sparta said earlier on, an attempt by some to sound more correct and "proper" when speaking English but actually failing miserably at it.
(See what I did there?)
That's why sentences like "I was wondering if I could talk to yourself" make no sense because "I" and "yourself" don't match.
Even more absurd examples like "Please follow myself" or "Myself and my friend went to..." are, as Sparta said earlier on, an attempt by some to sound more correct and "proper" when speaking English but actually failing miserably at it.
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