The legalities of towing another car.
The legalities of towing another car.
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Huntsman

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9,450 posts

281 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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Hi

I did a search but no clear answer was forthcoming.

I need to tow a car (about a mile not that the distance matters) that has no tax/mot/insurance, I would like to do it with a rope.

What are the legal requirements for the car being towed?

Ta.

14-7

6,233 posts

222 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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If it's on the road it needs to be insured.

If it is not going to a pre-arranged MOT then it will also need tax.

Huntsman

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9,450 posts

281 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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14-7 said:
If it's on the road it needs to be insured.

If it is not going to a pre-arranged MOT then it will also need tax.
Where is that defined in the law? I'm not questioning if you are correct, I'm trying to understand.

I don't have insurance for my dump trailer or a caravan (not that I'd have a caravan, dreadful things)

mrmr96

13,736 posts

235 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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Huntsman said:
I don't have insurance for my dump trailer or a caravan (not that I'd have a caravan, dreadful things)
They are not cars though, they're trailers. Trailers are covered by the towing vehicles insurance.

toxgobbler

2,903 posts

222 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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Viperz888

561 posts

189 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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I understand that if any wheels of the car to be towed are touching the ground, it is treated the same as if it was driving itself; it needs insurance, tax, and an MOT (if applicable).
So that covers being towed by a rope, A frames, dollies, etc.

As long as none of the wheels touch the ground (i.e it is on "a proper" trailer, and securely held down), it can be as shed as you like.

There is a wiki on this, very useful info there, if a little long winded.


wavey

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

275 months

Tuesday 31st July 2012
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Huntsman said:
Where is that defined in the law? I'm not questioning if you are correct, I'm trying to understand.

I don't have insurance for my dump trailer or a caravan (not that I'd have a caravan, dreadful things)
Section 185 Road Traffic Act 1988 defines:
motor car,
motor vehicle - mechanically propelled vehicle.

Section 143 Road Traffic Act 1988 requires
Users of motor vehicles to be insured or secured against third-party risks.
In the case of Milstead v Sexton [1964] it was held that a motor vehicle whilst being towed remains a motyor vehicle and must be covered by Iniusrance.

Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994
Section 29 makes it an offence to use/keep a mechanically [propelled vehicle on a road.
But:
under Schedule 2 (22) a motor vehicle proceedings to and return from a pre-arranged MOT is exempt from excise duty.

A similar exemption in relation to Test Certificate applies under Motor Vehicles Test Regs.

dvd

caziques

2,849 posts

199 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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So, book it in for an MOT - gets round the MOT and tax.

Still need insurance though.

R0G

5,037 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Putting it on a transporter/trailer is the only way to do this legally as it then becomes the load and not a vehicle

There was a similar thread on this a short time ago

B16JUS

2,386 posts

268 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Day insurance Approx £25

Book in for a MOT

Tow

R0G

5,037 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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B16JUS said:
Day insurance Approx £25

Book in for a MOT

Tow
That only works if the MOT place happens to be in the same direction

mrmr96

13,736 posts

235 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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R0G said:
That only works if the MOT place happens to be in the same direction
Choose one that is.

Snowboy

8,028 posts

182 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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It is illegal to tow car without insurance and tax.
Also, I'm pretty sure ropes are illegal now and you need to use a fixed bar.

That said, if it was me, I might just do it anyway if it's just a mile.

Drive slowly.
Drive sensibly.
Do it during not rush hour.

Alternatively call a local garage and ask how much they would charge.
One of the staff might borrow a recovery vehicle and move it for the cost of fuel and a couple of pints.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

235 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Snowboy said:
I'm pretty sure ropes are illegal now and you need to use a fixed bar.
What makes you think that?

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...

R0G

5,037 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Ropes can be used to tow a vehicle to the nearest place of safety if that broken down vehicle poses a danger

The issues come with towing a vehicle which has no independant working braking system and is over 750 kgs MAM because when being towed it then becomes a trailer and the definition of trailer is any 'vehicle' that is being towed by a 'motor vehicle'

If the brakes do work then it must be road legal and the licence would most likely need to be a B+E due to the total MAM weights involved

daz3210

5,000 posts

271 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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R0G said:
Ropes can be used to tow a vehicle to the nearest place of safety if that broken down vehicle poses a danger

The issues come with towing a vehicle which has no independant working braking system and is over 750 kgs MAM because when being towed it then becomes a trailer and the definition of trailer is any 'vehicle' that is being towed by a 'motor vehicle'

If the brakes do work then it must be road legal and the licence would most likely need to be a B+E due to the total MAM weights involved
Done this to death before, it becomes a trailer, but at the same time remains a vehicle

R0G

5,037 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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daz3210 said:
.... at the same time remains a vehicle
Motor vehicle - as that is different from vehicle in the legal definitions

R1 Indy

4,510 posts

214 months

Thursday 2nd August 2012
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If its only a mile, choose your time wisely, and you are unlikely to get into trouble.

Huntsman

Original Poster:

9,450 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd August 2012
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R1 Indy said:
If its only a mile, choose your time wisely, and you are unlikely to get into trouble.
Ahem, cough, cough...completed the job last night without incident.

R0G

5,037 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd August 2012
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Huntsman said:
Ahem, cough, cough...completed the job last night without incident.
And wee will all assume you did it legally on a trailer .... whistles and walks away.....