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11:00 - 16 August 2004
Speed camera bosses in the Bristol area have welcomed a new survey which shows the majority of drivers support their work. Nearly two-thirds of drivers support the use of mobile speed cameras, according to the survey released today.
The study, by road safety charity Brake and Green Flag Motoring Assistance, claims that 62 per cent of drivers support the cameras, which are designed to catch speeding drivers who try to avoid detection by fixed cameras.
Some 78 per cent of drivers also thought speed cameras should be placed outside schools and 89 per cent thought there should be a 20mph speed limit in those areas. The research is part of a series of reports the two organisations have put together about drivers' behaviour. The statistics are based on a survey of nearly 1,000 drivers and motorbike riders, carried out by Brake's volunteers, from February to April 2004.
David Gollicker, spokesman for the Avon, Somerset and Gloucestershire Safety Camera Partnership, said: "We welcome the confidence people have in speed cameras.
"The vast majority still support what we do. We can only put a fixed camera at a specific point where a number of casualties or injuries have taken place. If we put them anywhere else we would not be able to calculate the effect they would have. But we do liaise with different groups in the community to identify areas with a speed issue."
Nigel Charlesworth, Green Flag spokesperson, said: "Speed cameras have received a lot of bad press in recent years, and in particular mobile cameras. But when positioned in areas of high risk they can save lives."
Mary Williams, chief executive of Brake, said: "Today's survey shows there is huge support for mobile cameras to catch drivers who are prepared to break the law and risk lives. Communities live in constant fear of speeding drivers but cannot get a fixed speed camera until four people have been killed or seriously injured.
"Mobile cameras are an effective way of reducing speed before it is too late."
The study follows reports at the weekend that the rules dictating where speed cameras can be placed by police will be relaxed to cover longer stretches of road near accident blackspots.
The Times reported that police chiefs had said present rules were too restrictive and forced them to wait until people were killed or hurt before action could be taken.
Under the draft rules, the maximum distance covered by a mobile camera site would go up from 5km (3.1 miles) to 20km (12.5 miles), it said.
It means police would still have to prove there was a history of casualties on a stretch of road, but they would not be tied to placing cameras in the immediate area where accidents happened.
Richard Brunstrom, Chief Constable of North Wales and head of road policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We have a particular problem with motorcyclists slowing down for the cameras but speeding up on the next corner. We need to keep speed down on the whole stretch of road."
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11:00 - 16 August 2004
Speed camera bosses in the Bristol area have welcomed a new survey which shows the majority of drivers support their work. Nearly two-thirds of drivers support the use of mobile speed cameras, according to the survey released today.
The study, by road safety charity Brake and Green Flag Motoring Assistance, claims that 62 per cent of drivers support the cameras, which are designed to catch speeding drivers who try to avoid detection by fixed cameras.
Some 78 per cent of drivers also thought speed cameras should be placed outside schools and 89 per cent thought there should be a 20mph speed limit in those areas. The research is part of a series of reports the two organisations have put together about drivers' behaviour. The statistics are based on a survey of nearly 1,000 drivers and motorbike riders, carried out by Brake's volunteers, from February to April 2004.
David Gollicker, spokesman for the Avon, Somerset and Gloucestershire Safety Camera Partnership, said: "We welcome the confidence people have in speed cameras.
"The vast majority still support what we do. We can only put a fixed camera at a specific point where a number of casualties or injuries have taken place. If we put them anywhere else we would not be able to calculate the effect they would have. But we do liaise with different groups in the community to identify areas with a speed issue."
Nigel Charlesworth, Green Flag spokesperson, said: "Speed cameras have received a lot of bad press in recent years, and in particular mobile cameras. But when positioned in areas of high risk they can save lives."
Mary Williams, chief executive of Brake, said: "Today's survey shows there is huge support for mobile cameras to catch drivers who are prepared to break the law and risk lives. Communities live in constant fear of speeding drivers but cannot get a fixed speed camera until four people have been killed or seriously injured.
"Mobile cameras are an effective way of reducing speed before it is too late."
The study follows reports at the weekend that the rules dictating where speed cameras can be placed by police will be relaxed to cover longer stretches of road near accident blackspots.
The Times reported that police chiefs had said present rules were too restrictive and forced them to wait until people were killed or hurt before action could be taken.
Under the draft rules, the maximum distance covered by a mobile camera site would go up from 5km (3.1 miles) to 20km (12.5 miles), it said.
It means police would still have to prove there was a history of casualties on a stretch of road, but they would not be tied to placing cameras in the immediate area where accidents happened.
Richard Brunstrom, Chief Constable of North Wales and head of road policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We have a particular problem with motorcyclists slowing down for the cameras but speeding up on the next corner. We need to keep speed down on the whole stretch of road."
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To be fair, if they said to me "Do you support the use of Speed Camera's outside Schools and in residential areas" I might be inclined to say Yes. If they asked if I support them in general, I would say No.
Lies, Damn lies and statistics.
My old history teacher once said "Statistics are like Bra's - what they conceal is of more interest than what they reveal"
Lies, Damn lies and statistics.
My old history teacher once said "Statistics are like Bra's - what they conceal is of more interest than what they reveal"
Avon Somerset and Gloucestershire Safety Camera Partnership said:B
We can only put a fixed camera at a specific point where a number of casualties or injuries have taken place. If we put them anywhere else we would not be able to calculate the effect they would have.
x! They might find it harder to lie coherently about the effect they have though. Apart from anything else, regression-to-the-mean would start to work against them.ThisIsBristol - aka The Mail said:Did he b
Richard Brunstrom, Chief Constable of North Wales and head of road policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We have a particular problem with motorcyclists slowing down for the cameras but speeding up on the next corner. We need to keep speed down on the whole stretch of road."
x! Brunsturmfuhrer was as moderate as you'd expect him to be.Brunsturmfuhrer said:He also blathered on...
We have a particular problem with motorcyclists slowing down for the cameras but then speeding up and dying on the next corner. We need to keep people's speed down along the whole stretch of road.
Brunsturmfuhrer said:... the first part of which is utter rubbish. The last part begs the question as to how "hot" those spots really were.
We have got cameras at almost all the identifiable casualty hotspots and yet deaths haven't gone down because they are happening elsewhere.
>> Edited by V8 Archie on Monday 16th August 15:36
David Gollicker - scamera spokesman should've said:
We can only put a fixed camera at a specific point where a number of casualties or injuries have taken place. If we put them anywhere else we would not be able to use regression to the mean to con people into believing scameras work.
Wary Milliams said:
Today's survey shows there is huge support for mobile cameras to catch drivers who are prepared to break the law and risk lives. Communities live in constant fear of speeding drivers but cannot get a fixed speed camera until four people have been killed or seriously injured.
Is that why when the East Cross Route was built bypassing Hackney they built it with speed cameras already at the side of it? Had 4 people been seriously killed or injured durnig the construction of the road? Or perhaps in a Viking battle a thousand years ago?
That Welsh Idiot said:
We have a particular problem with motorcyclists slowing down for the cameras but speeding up on the next corner. We need to keep speed down on the whole stretch of road.
So you're saying that the placement of speed cameras doesn't work then? Or perhaps you are condoning a speed camera every 10 feet on every bit of road in the country?
These people have got their backsides so far up their own arses it's incredible...
>> Edited by nicecupoftea on Monday 16th August 17:37
public-relations@greenflag.com
Dear Sir,
As a long time member of Greenflag, i have become more and more concerned by the continued collaboration between yourselves and certain "road safety" organisations and their insistance on using skewed surveys to show "overwhelming" support for the bastard son of Maurice Gatsonides, <aka> the Gatso speed camera.
As you have aligned yourselves with Brake, a viciously anti motorist and anti-car organisation, i feel there exists a conflict of interests between yourslves and those of your paying members, myself included, and therefore i intend to terminate my membership forthwith and with immediate effect, taking my custom to a less corrupt organisation.
You have only yourselves to blame, and i will do my damdest to ensure as many like minded motorists follow my lead!
You cannot be in bed with motorists and with the theiving speed camera "partnerships" at the same time, it is unethical and immoral, as they are taking a great delight in stealing from drivers pockets, whilst hiding under a false banner of road "safety".
I hope this letter causes you as much anguish and distress as your affiliation with the "partnerships" and Brake is causing ordinary drivers!
A.P.Waterstone.(ex green flag member).
Dear Sir,
As a long time member of Greenflag, i have become more and more concerned by the continued collaboration between yourselves and certain "road safety" organisations and their insistance on using skewed surveys to show "overwhelming" support for the bastard son of Maurice Gatsonides, <aka> the Gatso speed camera.
As you have aligned yourselves with Brake, a viciously anti motorist and anti-car organisation, i feel there exists a conflict of interests between yourslves and those of your paying members, myself included, and therefore i intend to terminate my membership forthwith and with immediate effect, taking my custom to a less corrupt organisation.
You have only yourselves to blame, and i will do my damdest to ensure as many like minded motorists follow my lead!
You cannot be in bed with motorists and with the theiving speed camera "partnerships" at the same time, it is unethical and immoral, as they are taking a great delight in stealing from drivers pockets, whilst hiding under a false banner of road "safety".
I hope this letter causes you as much anguish and distress as your affiliation with the "partnerships" and Brake is causing ordinary drivers!
A.P.Waterstone.(ex green flag member).
130tdi said:
I was just looking into changing my breakdown cover. Guess who's no longer in the running ?
Phil
they will lose another 6 next month - looks like it's back to the AA for us.
I rather have the impression that the AA are not too amenable to our point of view, and that the RAC are actually more in line with our general feelings.
Does anyone know about the relative merits of those two organisations in that respect?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Aren't surveys fantastic. O'Leary of Ryanair once conducted a survey and asked 'Would you prefer it if the seat in front of you could not recline'?
78% voted yes.
Now none of the seats on his new aircraft recline (non reclining seats are much cheaper).
None of the people surveyed seemed to appreciate that they were also sitting in front of somebody who did not want their seat to recline.
You just have to ask the right skewed question.
78% voted yes.
Now none of the seats on his new aircraft recline (non reclining seats are much cheaper).
None of the people surveyed seemed to appreciate that they were also sitting in front of somebody who did not want their seat to recline.
You just have to ask the right skewed question.
Streetcop said:
Evening Dave..
Hope all is well.
I had a quiet shift..
Street
Good evening sir, yes thanks all is well.
Quiet shift eh? Well I expect you'll be busy for the next few hours.
It sounds odd if there was really a shortage of collars needing to be felt in your area, something must have changed. Most irregular!
By the way, roughly where is your 'base' located, where you keep all those flashy cars? I used to think it was across the road from Fletchers at Claywheels Lane, but maybe not. That would have been handy for you to nip along the road and watch a bit of footie while the cars were being de-dinged.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Mad Dave said:
To be fair, if they said to me "Do you support the use of Speed Camera's outside Schools and in residential areas" I might be inclined to say Yes. If they asked if I support them in general, I would say No.
Exactly, all depends on the question. Odd how they never publish those!
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