Scunthorpe cameras - £2.7m
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From the Scunthorpe Telegraph...
£2.7M SPEED FINES ISSUED
12:30 - 26 August 2004
Figures exclusively revealed by the Telegraph last week for the amount of cash raked in by speed cameras have been confirmed.
Yesterday, the Humberside Safety Camera Partnership announced its cameras generated almost £2.7-million - just days after the Telegraph revealed fines for the region were set to exceed the £2-million mark. In addition, the report has revealed speed cameras saved North Lincolnshire taxpayers a further £1.2-million in accident investigation and other associated costs.
Across the whole of the area covered by the Partnership, the amount saved was £5.4-million.
Mick Harris, project manager for Humberside Safety Camera Partnership, said: "It is too soon to assess the operational effectiveness of the partnership, as casualty and collision rates have to be examined over a period of three years in order to draw any meaningful conclusions.
"However, the partnership is pleased to report a significant reduction in the numbers of injury collisions and reduction in the number of people killed and seriously injured at safety camera sites during the past year."
Mr Harris said it was estimated the costs to society were at least £140,450 for each person seriously injured in vehicle accidents, in terms of costs to the emergency services, health services, loss of earnings and emotional costs to the person, family and friends.
"As there have been 39 fewer people killed or seriously injured this year at safety camera sites, we can make a conservative estimate this project has saved society at least £5.4-million in its first year alone," he said.
It has cost £2.4-million to fund the partnership, and the organisation has returned just over £313,000 to the Government.
Mr Harris said the partnership will be in a better position to assess its operational effectiveness at the end of its second year of operations.
At the time, Mr Harris said he hoped to be able to report the organisation had maintained and improved on what he called 'excellent indications of success and positive impact detailed in the report'.
Details of casualty, collision and speed history for the individual sites, are outlined in the report as are marketing activities undertaken through- out the year along with the financial breakdown.
The partnership was formed in April 2003, and is a partnership between North Lincolnshire Council, East Riding of Yorkshire Council, Highways Agency, Hull City Council, Humberside Magistrates' Courts Committee, Humberside Police and North East Lincolnshire Council.
The report will now be scrutinised by motoring organisations and pressure groups opposed to what they see as speed cameras being a money making scheme.
£2.7M SPEED FINES ISSUED
12:30 - 26 August 2004
Figures exclusively revealed by the Telegraph last week for the amount of cash raked in by speed cameras have been confirmed.
Yesterday, the Humberside Safety Camera Partnership announced its cameras generated almost £2.7-million - just days after the Telegraph revealed fines for the region were set to exceed the £2-million mark. In addition, the report has revealed speed cameras saved North Lincolnshire taxpayers a further £1.2-million in accident investigation and other associated costs.
Across the whole of the area covered by the Partnership, the amount saved was £5.4-million.
Mick Harris, project manager for Humberside Safety Camera Partnership, said: "It is too soon to assess the operational effectiveness of the partnership, as casualty and collision rates have to be examined over a period of three years in order to draw any meaningful conclusions.
"However, the partnership is pleased to report a significant reduction in the numbers of injury collisions and reduction in the number of people killed and seriously injured at safety camera sites during the past year."
Mr Harris said it was estimated the costs to society were at least £140,450 for each person seriously injured in vehicle accidents, in terms of costs to the emergency services, health services, loss of earnings and emotional costs to the person, family and friends.
"As there have been 39 fewer people killed or seriously injured this year at safety camera sites, we can make a conservative estimate this project has saved society at least £5.4-million in its first year alone," he said.
It has cost £2.4-million to fund the partnership, and the organisation has returned just over £313,000 to the Government.
Mr Harris said the partnership will be in a better position to assess its operational effectiveness at the end of its second year of operations.
At the time, Mr Harris said he hoped to be able to report the organisation had maintained and improved on what he called 'excellent indications of success and positive impact detailed in the report'.
Details of casualty, collision and speed history for the individual sites, are outlined in the report as are marketing activities undertaken through- out the year along with the financial breakdown.
The partnership was formed in April 2003, and is a partnership between North Lincolnshire Council, East Riding of Yorkshire Council, Highways Agency, Hull City Council, Humberside Magistrates' Courts Committee, Humberside Police and North East Lincolnshire Council.
The report will now be scrutinised by motoring organisations and pressure groups opposed to what they see as speed cameras being a money making scheme.
The great thing about this is it gives us all an insight into the efficiency of the civil service. 2.7m returns just 300k in a business that is literally highway robbery. This is a better business proposition than a church or Al Capones booze business during the 30s, yet the government are incapeable of making a decent profit. If a thick Italian psychopath and barmy old Polish vicar can make a fist of it why are our public servants so useless. Time they were rounded up and put on the road building squad. 
nonegreen said:
The great thing about this is it gives us all an insight into the efficiency of the civil service. 2.7m returns just 300k in a business that is literally highway robbery. This is a better business proposition than a church or Al Capones booze business during the 30s, yet the government are incapeable of making a decent profit.
No, you misunderstand. The 300k isn't 'profit', it's money that the scamera partnership literally couldn't spend. You don't think they give money to the government for fun? No, they spend spend spend as much as they can so they don't have to give anything back at all. £300k to Gordon just shows a severe lack of imagination in the accouting dept!
t in Scunthorpe... 
The real concern is with these SCumera Partnerships that just like drug addicts they soon become incapable of doing without the massive spend they have become used to. When their actions do result in traffic creeping along NSLs at little over 30 as it has become in many places they will be forced to resort to more and more tricks subterfuge and dishonest manipulation of the law to maintain income let alone the growth in income they need.
It’s a similar model to a monopoly niche business facing competition after a short period of meteoric growth. Yet I’m sure not one of those in the SCumera Partnerships has probably ever had anything to do with running a business in real life and have no experience or competence in controlling costs when conditions change.
The other similar model is malignant cancer – it appears, grows rapidly and has to be utterly destroyed or the host will simply die.
It’s a similar model to a monopoly niche business facing competition after a short period of meteoric growth. Yet I’m sure not one of those in the SCumera Partnerships has probably ever had anything to do with running a business in real life and have no experience or competence in controlling costs when conditions change.
The other similar model is malignant cancer – it appears, grows rapidly and has to be utterly destroyed or the host will simply die.
james_j said:
I've just realised!
OK, the cameras are a revenue scheme, but they're also a job-creation scheme.
Just think how many well-paid non-jobs are funded by the cameras. That, with the ever-expanding public sector, no wonder the unemployment figures are low.
Surely the next thing out of the government think tank is the "Camera reduction agency partnership" Or CRAP for short
dnb said:
How is it then that the last time I was in Lincolnshire, the signs by the side of the road displaying the yearly casualty rates were showing an increase?
To be fair Scunthorpe comes under Humberside not Lincolnshire Police. Humberside don't actually put up those silly casualty signs and they do stick their mobile vans in the general area they say they are going to be(..........at the moment).
MMC said:
Mick Harris, project manager for Humberside Safety Camera Partnership, said: "It is too soon to assess the operational effectiveness of the partnership, as casualty and collision rates have to be examined over a period of three years in order to draw any meaningful conclusions.
How come that doesn't apply to the orginal trial which was stopped after 8 months to rush in the use of camera's and start saving lifes.
How long can they keep the lies up for?
bluepolarbear said:
Mick Harris, project manager for Humberside Safety Camera Partnership, said: "It is too soon to assess the operational effectiveness of the partnership, as casualty and collision rates have to be examined over a period of three years in order to draw any meaningful conclusions.
How come that doesn't apply to the orginal trial which was stopped after 8 months to rush in the use of camera's and start saving lifes.
How long can they keep the lies up for?
"We can't wait to start saving lives" is the quote I think we were given when the "pilot" was terminated early and the rollout began.
Don't you find "£140,450" amazingly precise? And that figure includes all the intangibles of "emotional costs". This figure is proof that the statistics are totally fabricated and completely spurious. Even the NHS couldn't really calculate the cost of a RTA, and that's the only real cost in the list.
Most of that money will have been earned by the camera van that sits permanently on the M180 catching people on their way to Cleethorpes, whilst nutters still go past my Mum's house less than 6 miles away (30 zone, residential street and on a blind bend) at 50 or more. Good work Humberside 
On the positive side, I was in Scunny this weekend and was heartened to see that speed limits had actually been RAISED on Brigg road, from 30 to 40.
On the positive side, I was in Scunny this weekend and was heartened to see that speed limits had actually been RAISED on Brigg road, from 30 to 40.
rude girl said:
Most of that money will have been earned by the camera van that sits permanently on the M180 catching people on their way to Cleethorpes, whilst nutters still go past my Mum's house less than 6 miles away (30 zone, residential street and on a blind bend) at 50 or more. Good work Humberside
On the positive side, I was in Scunny this weekend and was heartened to see that speed limits had actually been RAISED on Brigg road, from 30 to 40.
Nice to see they have their priorities right... bit like Cumbria ..... Shap comes to mind ..... and our Steve is not too bothered about the really dangerous areas in his patch - just the money making ones ....
Most dangerous place to overtake .... on the straight bits .... Indeed ....
However, glad they are raising limits on one road ...
Wildy must have slipped summat in the tea ..... rude girl said:
On the positive side, I was in Scunny this weekend and was heartened to see that speed limits had actually been RAISED on Brigg road, from 30 to 40.
Sorry - did I read that right? A RAISED speed limit? In England?
Nah - you must have missed that last optician's check-up. Can't be... Quite bizarre the illusions some people claim to "see"...
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