18 year old and points
Discussion
Streetcop said:
...revoked...
So I believe a retest would be in order...
Question for Street
though - if his license is revoked, how long for (6 months rings a bell) and what happens to the points - do they carry over to the new one? (I presume so). In which case, how can a 17/18/19 year old be expected to afford insurance with no NCB and 6 points on a provisional license?!
Not suggesting it will happen here, but how many teenagers will simply not bother with insurance because it is a damned sight cheaper just to pay the fines? Just as long as they slow down for cameras...
Crazy in some ways...but the incentive to keep ones nose clean and gain experience as opposed to points, makes the majority of new and inexperienced drivers think twice before impressing their mates...
The youth needs to feel their feet on the road as opposed to having then behind their heads in the event of a crash...
Street
The youth needs to feel their feet on the road as opposed to having then behind their heads in the event of a crash...
Street
UpTheIron said:
...revoked...
So I believe a retest would be in order...
Question for Street
In which case, how can a 17/18/19 year old be expected to afford insurance with no NCB and 6 points on a provisional license?!
Not suggesting it will happen here, but how many teenagers will simply not bother with insurance because it is a damned sight cheaper just to pay the fines? Just as long as they slow down for cameras...
Revocation to provisional status would cancel out the 6 points which led to this action - else new driver would be banned for life
He would have to re-apply for provisional licence and then retake theory, hazard perception and pratical tests. Believe points accumulated on a provisional are carried over to full licence once test has been passed .... I think the point you raise explains rise in uninsured - and placing third party on price of petrol would not necessarily work - because of danger of fill and run. Also - high mileage drivers would be subsidising the low mileage drivers - who tend to have most minor but expensive crunches through inexperience....
Tis a problem for sure...
Believe France has increased probationary period to three years and there are whispers that German speaking countries are about to follow....
Streetcop said:
Crazy in some ways...but the incentive to keep ones nose clean and gain experience as opposed to points, makes the majority of new and inexperienced drivers think twice before impressing their mates...
The youth needs to feel their feet on the road as opposed to having then behind their heads in the event of a crash...
Street
Trouble is, mate, lot of these new drivers do fall victim to PC Gatso as "just overs" ....
One of my friends got flashed and caught by a van within 3 motnhs of passing his test a bit stupid on his part but this is essex where they are every where.
So to save him from having to redo his test, quit his part time job and having to get the bus to college his dad took the points.
So to save him from having to redo his test, quit his part time job and having to get the bus to college his dad took the points.
Mad Moggie said:
Revocation to provisional status would cancel out the 6 points which led to this action - else new driver would be banned for life
If during your first two years of driving you accumulate 6 points, your full licence is cancelled and you apply for a new provisional. You then need to re-sit your theory and driving test. This gets you a nice shiny new full licence. COMPLETE with the 6 points still on it.
You don't get any time period of a ban or anything, just the time it takes for your provisional to come.
So how about this for an idea...apply the same rules to all drivers...when you hit say 12 points (still keep it at 6 for the first 2 years after passing your test) rather than a ban, you have to resit your test - possibly and advanced one - but receive no ban.
Rather than penalising drivers who in the main are safe and obey limits etc, and potentially ruining lives or causing serious hardship/loss of job etc, do something that helps to improve driving standards.
Then up the limit for a ban to e.g. 18 points to catch those who re-offend after a retest.
Rather than penalising drivers who in the main are safe and obey limits etc, and potentially ruining lives or causing serious hardship/loss of job etc, do something that helps to improve driving standards.
Then up the limit for a ban to e.g. 18 points to catch those who re-offend after a retest.
jim'schim said:
Revocation to provisional status would cancel out the 6 points which led to this action - else new driver would be banned for life
If during your first two years of driving you accumulate 6 points, your full licence is cancelled and you apply for a new provisional. You then need to re-sit your theory and driving test. This gets you a nice shiny new full licence. COMPLETE with the 6 points still on it.
You don't get any time period of a ban or anything, just the time it takes for your provisional to come.
That seems bit daft Liebchen. (Even Swiss did not do that - unless legislation has changed since I lived there...)
Did read of lad in paper who got pinged twice as L-driver, passed his test and then had to re-apply for provisional immediately as licence was revoked immediately ....
Not sure what happened to him after that - we did not get the sequel 
You have licence revoked, return to provisional status, go through expense of re-test (which could be tighter because of speeding offence - and you may even fail this test couple of times for driving below limit (as was discussed on thread here ca Feb-ish).
Then if you pass - you receive a new driver's driving licence with six points on it - which could be a
to explain to BiB why you are driving with 6 points as probationer... What happens if you were to get pinged at 32 in a 30 (per that thread here) with your 6 points already on your new licence... a life ban?
Would have thought return to provisional status and expense of resitting the tests - with as I understood from one newspaper report - an extended test - was punishment enough.
Mad Moggie said:
Trouble is, mate, lot of these new drivers do fall victim to PC Gatso as "just overs" ....
Absolutely...
I just think the 6 points and out for new drivers is a fantastic idea. They really need an incentive to drive safely and to gain experience.
Afterall, the majority of young drivers are decent lads/lasses, who have just aquired a murderous weapons that could kill themselves and others..
It's very distressing to attend at KSI RTC's and find nice people invovled.
Street
Streetcop said:
Trouble is, mate, lot of these new drivers do fall victim to PC Gatso as "just overs" ....
Absolutely...
I just think the 6 points and out for new drivers is a fantastic idea. They really need an incentive to drive safely and to gain experience.
Afterall, the majority of young drivers are decent lads/lasses, who have just aquired a murderous weapons that could kill themselves and others..
It's very distressing to attend at KSI RTC's and find nice people invovled.
Street
Remember my first ever driving lesson - before I had even turned the ignition I was told that I in control of something which could kill me and others if handled the wrong way.... (Already knew that - spent childhood at the races .... seen lots of incidents as result ...) Papa did insist I had to prove myself capable and earn privilege of learning to drive if I wanted financial help from him as well ...
We drummed it into our new L-driver (just 17)
that he had to prove to us that he was mature enough to learn how to drive. It has always been regarded as privilege in this family. Anyways - this lad will move onto Pass Plus as soon as he is through the L-test, then we will insist on IAM because we do not want to be pacing floor every time he is out on ownsome...and we want to keep costs down as well - quite naturally. He does have some advantages over his peers - both parents are petrolheads
who take pride in safest driving techniques - and he does know about the nasty non-fault which left me in sorriest state for a while... But do not see how ping as marginal blip twice by speed cam teaches these probationaries safer driving techniques or that it develops expertise - and Dibs will correct me if incorrect - but I think Lancs will not allow probationers onto Speed Course if copped by their excessively draconian settings...pre- and post revisions....
WildCat said:
That seems bit daft Liebchen. (Even Swiss did not do that - unless legislation has changed since I lived there...)
Then if you pass - you receive a new driver's driving licence with six points on it - which could be a
What happens if you were to get pinged at 32 in a 30 (per that thread here) with your 6 points already on your new licence... a life ban?
There is nothing to explain to the police. Believe me, when you get 6 points as a new driver, you do indeed need to re-sit your test, you still have the 6 points on your licence when you pass the test. If after that you get another 3 points, you simply go to 9. Your licence is not revoked when you reach the 9 points, you simply have 9 points and pay more for insurance.
Just so you know where I'm quoting my information from. My son has 9 points, he had to resit his test after the first 6, after the next 3 his insurance went up ever so slightly
>> Edited by jim'schim on Monday 30th August 14:52
Goodness Liebchen - where do you live? Scam City? Bit careless of your boy not to have learned from this - but if he is indeed in area where zero tolerance exists - yet another example of gross unfairness of the ping at 2mph above posted - und we sympathise if that is case. If he is unobservant nit - then ... You should chuck away keys as his premiums will be astronomical after 12 point ban .... so soon.... Still - seems a bit unfair on whole that this is carried over like this - especially if result of just over ping situation..
Our lad is just learning - he is out with his Papa and Grandpapa at the moment. His Grandpapa is the most critical person you could have misfortune of having as passenger I speak from experience of his teachings - he made me strip an engine down against the clock when I was 17, give running commentary as I did so - and he would have killed me if it had broken down in the rally drive he later took it on....und out on road with him - even before he let me have lessons - had to explain to him as if driving myself ... very strict teacher when out with him - ceased being my Papa but nastiest examiner....
but on other hand - am quite good driver as result - like know coupla things about cars und how to control 'em... He is showing Mad Moggie how to teach ... his way.... am wondering what to expect when they all return here .....
You should chuck away keys as his premiums will be astronomical after 12 point ban .... so soon.... Still - seems a bit unfair on whole that this is carried over like this - especially if result of just over ping situation.. Our lad is just learning - he is out with his Papa and Grandpapa at the moment. His Grandpapa is the most critical person you could have misfortune of having as passenger
I speak from experience of his teachings - he made me strip an engine down against the clock when I was 17, give running commentary as I did so - and he would have killed me if it had broken down in the rally drive he later took it on....und out on road with him - even before he let me have lessons - had to explain to him as if driving myself ... very strict teacher when out with him - ceased being my Papa but nastiest examiner.... but on other hand - am quite good driver as result - like know coupla things about cars und how to control 'em...
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