Police Reform Act 2002
Discussion
This is well worth a read...it contains lots of sensible policies to deal with anti-social and dangerous individuals.
www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20030--f.htm
Street
www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20030--f.htm
Street
DRV112 said:
Yet more evidence of this totalitarian state in action. 
Wait till the day of the uprising i'll be there on the front line.
Oh dear, another 8 poster rage against the system bloke.
Totalitarian state, uprising, I bet you couldn't find your ar5e from your elbow.
Bring it on big boy.....
Streetcop said:
This is well worth a read...it contains lots of sensible policies to deal with anti-social and dangerous individuals.
www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20030--f.htm
Street
Haven't read it in detail Street to many cross referances to track. I am concerned that we are seeing further powers to the Police to arrest or insist an offender gives a name and address for ill defined offences. Section 50 "anti-social manner (within the meaning of section 1 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (c. 37)" & Section 57 "is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public".
The provisions relating to samples from persons incapable of consenting look a good tiding up measure but will it make much differance??
The new anti social behavour orders look good in print but will these join the long list of such orders that no court will use and even if they did they cannot be policed.
Not sure this is the break through in law and order that will change the stead decine of our society.
Mrr T said:
I am concerned that we are seeing further powers to the Police to arrest or insist an offender gives a name and address for ill defined offences.
Section 25 of PACE 1984, give the police the power already to arrest anyone who refuses to give their name and address for even the most trivial offence (trivial offences in some people's eyes)..
The power is already there and is used to good effect daily up and down the country..
Street
Streetcop said:
I am concerned that we are seeing further powers to the Police to arrest or insist an offender gives a name and address for ill defined offences.
Section 25 of PACE 1984, give the police the power already to arrest anyone who refuses to give their name and address for even the most trivial offence (trivial offences in some people's eyes)..
The power is already there and is used to good effect daily up and down the country..
Street
It's a very difficult balance making laws, but I honestly think that this country is getting it's priorities wrong and is oh so P-Correct now that everyones scared to say anything unpopular. Steetcop, it does seem however that motorists ARE an easy target, and seem to be getting a lot of attention from the law/courts/BiB whereas a lot of reported crime seems to get just an incident number now.
Breaking speed limit = very little investigation(normally)= lots of money generated with little effort.
Burglary detection=lots of BiB time with no guaranteed result and perhaps no income from fines
Sorry my friend, but this is how I feel and my personal experiences reinforce this. Not blaming BiB though....it;s the daft lawmakers and P-Correctness of this country
It's wholly the fault of the government and the courts.....
For example..I remember stopping a car down a country lane in the middle of the night...the sole occupant was a man who was a career criminal. In his pockets were screwdrivers, a balaclava and some gloves...his car contained crow bar and other items associated with theft/burglary.
I arrested him for "going equipped", which covers such things...
He was interviewed and claimed to have the items for a reason I'm not discussing on here. The matter went to court for this and a number of other offences and this career burglar was found Not Guilty! (By the Jury, I might add)..
However, as he had no insurance, he was given 6 points and fined £400.
Street
For example..I remember stopping a car down a country lane in the middle of the night...the sole occupant was a man who was a career criminal. In his pockets were screwdrivers, a balaclava and some gloves...his car contained crow bar and other items associated with theft/burglary.
I arrested him for "going equipped", which covers such things...
He was interviewed and claimed to have the items for a reason I'm not discussing on here. The matter went to court for this and a number of other offences and this career burglar was found Not Guilty! (By the Jury, I might add)..
However, as he had no insurance, he was given 6 points and fined £400.
Street
Streetcop said:
It's wholly the fault of the government and the courts.....
For example..I remember stopping a car down a country lane in the middle of the night...the sole occupant was a man who was a career criminal. In his pockets were screwdrivers, a balaclava and some gloves...his car contained crow bar and other items associated with theft/burglary.
I arrested him for "going equipped", which covers such things...
He was interviewed and claimed to have the items for a reason I'm not discussing on here. The matter went to court for this and a number of other offences and this career burglar was found Not Guilty! (By the Jury, I might add)..
However, as he had no insurance, he was given 6 points and fined £400.
Street
I understand exactly where you are coming from. This is a classic example of what I mean. But notice the fine of £400 for a known crim, compared to the £750 on another thread. OK so he knowingly tried to exploit a loophole ( which the courts are wise to now it seems ) but the bottom line is :- One guy is ( hopefully ) an ok citizen that is pissed off with the incessant motorist bashing...... he gets £750 for his sins. The other guy is a scrote known to the Police and he gets off with £400. This is my point
Streetcop said:
I am concerned that we are seeing further powers to the Police to arrest or insist an offender gives a name and address for ill defined offences.
Section 25 of PACE 1984, give the police the power already to arrest anyone who refuses to give their name and address for even the most trivial offence (trivial offences in some people's eyes)..
The power is already there and is used to good effect daily up and down the country..
Street
Street I am aware of PACE Sect 25 and as you say name and addess is required for quite trival offences. Have not got time to look it up but from memory while the offences may be trival they are clearly offences. The problem with much new legislation like this is that the defination of the offence is very vague and is often no more than a judgement call.
For example would wearing a burbery cap count as acting in an anti social manner??
DRV112 said:
Bollox......!! DRV112 on another thread said:
In May my car was clamped due to having no tax.
Got all your money taken from you by the bullies, so none to pay for your road tax..
Others paying, while you go scotfree...not for long eh? 
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Wednesday 1st September 03:20
Got all your money taken from you by the bullies, so none to pay for your road tax.. Others paying, while you go scotfree...not for long eh?
Street
Nah m8, like I said on another thread to you, I do over 10,000miles per year in one vehicle,
just how much fuel tax do I pay, then there is insurance that I do not want, and would make driving safer, in my eyes, if people had to pay full whack for the damage they caused.
Plus I have 4 vehicles only drive one at once, the taxed one is the one being driven most that month.
Plus I am taking several people to court for the damage caused while impounding the car upto £3500 so far. Scotfree my Ar
e. Ripped of daily more likley. I have paid enough for these poor roads, I refuse to pay 1st class price for 4th rate service.
Others paying, while you go scotfree...not for long eh? Street
Nah m8, like I said on another thread to you, I do over 10,000miles per year in one vehicle,
just how much fuel tax do I pay, then there is insurance that I do not want, and would make driving safer, in my eyes, if people had to pay full whack for the damage they caused. Plus I have 4 vehicles only drive one at once, the taxed one is the one being driven most that month.
Plus I am taking several people to court for the damage caused while impounding the car upto £3500 so far. Scotfree my Ar
e. Ripped of daily more likley. I have paid enough for these poor roads, I refuse to pay 1st class price for 4th rate service. Streetcop said:
To be honest Blademan...£400 was excessive in the circumstances...usually it's much less than that...I think the judge could see through the evidence and bumped it up accordingly.
Street
Wot! You say excessive for no insurance?
Um! Why? About normal cost for average fully comp insurance for medium sized family car....
I would have set the fine for this in excess of £1k - after all - if he had hit and injured someone the cost would have been a lot more ....
Yet - you thought £750 price for some bloke to fined because he chose to fight against an unfair way of convicting people - like requiring a confession before you see any evidence against you ....
>> Edited by WildCat on Wednesday 1st September 07:31
Streetcop said:
I am concerned that we are seeing further powers to the Police to arrest or insist an offender gives a name and address for ill defined offences.
Section 25 of PACE 1984, give the police the power already to arrest anyone who refuses to give their name and address for even the most trivial offence (trivial offences in some people's eyes)..
The power is already there and is used to good effect daily up and down the country..
NEIN!
These powers are open to abuse by certain cops - as we are all too aware now...
Some of these "powers" are exactly the same as those in old GDR and Moscow - and we were engaged in a "Cold War" for years with them because we did not want this way of life - yet this is what we are now getting...
Und Liebchen - before you start off again accusing me of this and that and bein' 'orrid again .... remember that I spent in total 9 very, very long and very, very , very unpleasant months in both those countries long time ago ..... so know exactly what it was like and can see some worrying trends appearing here....
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