motorists against detection
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I wouldn't codone the smashing up of any public property that provides a beneficial service to members of the public. I don't consider speed cameras to offer any sort of beneficial service, so yes, in answer to that, i would start at the top.
These days, sometimes, direct action is the only action that you can take. If enough people support the idea (and I reckon they do) then i can't see any problems to blatant vandalism of Gatso's and the like.
Considering I am a family man with no previous form, a company director and generally a law abiding citizen then I must, along with lots of others, feel very strongly about this to even contemplate the idea. Perosnally I am all up for cauing the greedy bastards that install these things in places where there are no accidents as much grief as they cause every other decent citizen in this country.
These days, sometimes, direct action is the only action that you can take. If enough people support the idea (and I reckon they do) then i can't see any problems to blatant vandalism of Gatso's and the like.
Considering I am a family man with no previous form, a company director and generally a law abiding citizen then I must, along with lots of others, feel very strongly about this to even contemplate the idea. Perosnally I am all up for cauing the greedy bastards that install these things in places where there are no accidents as much grief as they cause every other decent citizen in this country.
Streetcop said:
paul001,
If you're happy with the risks involved and the potential changes in your future circumstance....
Street
Thats not a very useful response tho Street.
What you should be asking yourself is ; What has prompted this person of previous good character, a family man, a company director, someone with obviously a hell of a lot to lose, decide to take a possible loss of liberty risk (with all its associated consequences) to make such a statement?
Surely theres something rotten in Denmark?
Surely the vast numbers of people openly talking about damaging these steel and plastic "bastards" is sending the clear and unmistakable message: " WE DONT WANT THIS ANYMORE ON OUR STREETS!"
Im pretty sure all of those who participate in the aforementioned destruction of state surveillence technology are quite acutely aware of the consequences of being caught out.
And yet, they persist. And some (as demonstrated here) have a hell of a lot more to lose than some folk. That being as it is, they still go out and "take it to em".
To my mind theyre the heroes, not the villans. That role is firmly filled and indelibly linked with the "partnerships"(scum all of em) and theyre seen to be so by the majority of normal, sensible and thoroughly persecuted drivers.
Its a situation that cannot continue for too much longer, and when it does blow, even the police in their thousands(are there thousands left?
) wont hold the lid on it. Think on it for a bit Street, we see you as the GOOD GUYS, the scammers as the BAD GUYS, do yourselves a big fat favour; Dont get mixed up with THEM, cos the writing IS on the wall for em.
Regards.
deltaf said:
paul001,
If you're happy with the risks involved and the potential changes in your future circumstance....
Street
Thats not a very useful response tho Street.
What you should be asking yourself is ; What has prompted this person of previous good character, a family man, a company director, someone with obviously a hell of a lot to lose, decide to take a possible loss of liberty risk (with all its associated consequences) to make such a statement?
Surely theres something rotten in Denmark?
Surely the vast numbers of people openly talking about damaging these steel and plastic "bastards" is sending the clear and unmistakable message: " WE DONT WANT THIS ANYMORE ON OUR STREETS!"
Im pretty sure all of those who participate in the aforementioned destruction of state surveillence technology are quite acutely aware of the consequences of being caught out.
And yet, they persist. And some (as demonstrated here) have a hell of a lot more to lose than some folk. That being as it is, they still go out and "take it to em".
To my mind theyre the heroes, not the villans. That role is firmly filled and indelibly linked with the "partnerships"(scum all of em) and theyre seen to be so by the majority of normal, sensible and thoroughly persecuted drivers.
Its a situation that cannot continue for too much longer, and when it does blow, even the police in their thousands(are there thousands left?
Think on it for a bit Street, we see you as the GOOD GUYS, the scammers as the BAD GUYS, do yourselves a big fat favour; Dont get mixed up with THEM, cos the writing IS on the wall for em.
Regards.
Agreed I think when normally law abiding citizens are losing their jobs to satisfy a few stalinists who in reality are unemployable, the build up of frustration will lead to the inevitable. Sometimes the fools forget we are always only 3 square meals away from insurrection and we are talking millions of people pottentially being at risk.
The insurrection has already begun Nonners (can i call you Nonners? 
) with many hundreds, possibly thousands of ordinary everyday folk sneaking around at night(and day) with cans of fuel and spray paint and even explosives intent on damaging so called "safety cameras".
You have to ask "Whats wrong with this picture?".
Some will have undoubtedly been on the recieving end of this big brother technology, hence the revenge motive.
But what about those who havent? What exactly is their motivation?
The penalties for hitting one of Darlings little friends hard is quite a heavy one, should the courts decide to impose, yet theyre out there, risking liberty, risking being fined (always comes down to money with the legal system...sharks) and risking their futures and livelihoods.
Its plain that there's something amiss with the system. There has to be. For people of quite high status to risk it all to destroy a scamera, a "safety device" ( i use the term in its broadest possible sense); Then there has to be a problem.It makes no sense otherwise.
Its strange that the Police dont seem to see it, but then they wouldnt (apart from individual officers) as almost the entire Police force of GB is in on the great money grab too.
I think i can sum up the feelings of people who hate this opressive situation we've had imposed on us, by using an example; Red Light cameras.
How many of these have been attacked?
I would lay odds on that its less than 10, maybe less than 5 in the whole of GB.
Compare that to the number of "safety cameras" either burned, sprayed, smashed, driven over or blown up.....in the 1000's by now.
From the above, its obvious to even a "safety partnership" leader that something isnt quite as it should be, yet they just dont get it at all.
I suspect maybe they DO get it, but are just too dogmatic to acknowledge the reasons.
Either way,its certain that theyve lost completely the battle to get the public on their side, a fact proven by how many skewed surveys of vociferous anti car supporters they continue to ask for opinions.
Lets hope they fall sooner rather than later, for all our sakes.
) with many hundreds, possibly thousands of ordinary everyday folk sneaking around at night(and day) with cans of fuel and spray paint and even explosives intent on damaging so called "safety cameras". You have to ask "Whats wrong with this picture?".
Some will have undoubtedly been on the recieving end of this big brother technology, hence the revenge motive.
But what about those who havent? What exactly is their motivation?
The penalties for hitting one of Darlings little friends hard is quite a heavy one, should the courts decide to impose, yet theyre out there, risking liberty, risking being fined (always comes down to money with the legal system...sharks) and risking their futures and livelihoods.
Its plain that there's something amiss with the system. There has to be. For people of quite high status to risk it all to destroy a scamera, a "safety device" ( i use the term in its broadest possible sense); Then there has to be a problem.It makes no sense otherwise.
Its strange that the Police dont seem to see it, but then they wouldnt (apart from individual officers) as almost the entire Police force of GB is in on the great money grab too.
I think i can sum up the feelings of people who hate this opressive situation we've had imposed on us, by using an example; Red Light cameras.
How many of these have been attacked?
I would lay odds on that its less than 10, maybe less than 5 in the whole of GB.
Compare that to the number of "safety cameras" either burned, sprayed, smashed, driven over or blown up.....in the 1000's by now.
From the above, its obvious to even a "safety partnership" leader that something isnt quite as it should be, yet they just dont get it at all.
I suspect maybe they DO get it, but are just too dogmatic to acknowledge the reasons.
Either way,its certain that theyve lost completely the battle to get the public on their side, a fact proven by how many skewed surveys of vociferous anti car supporters they continue to ask for opinions.
Lets hope they fall sooner rather than later, for all our sakes.
Streetcop said:
paul001,
If you're happy with the risks involved and the potential changes in your future circumstance....
Street
I think that was the advice given to Emiline Pankhurst
If a so called "safety device" can provoke such hostility amongst Mr Middle England then a sensible person would have to ask the question "where have we gone wrong?"
Margaret Thatcher failed to spot the signs on the poll tax, Billy Liar would do well to feel the resentment or be prepared to pay the price.
Most of us have been victims of crime, yet the only time the police force seem interested are when we speed. That's a bad state of affairs and it cannot continue.
I know you will come back and say "but it's the law". So was the poll tax!
These things have to go by whatever means necessary. If it takes direct action to achieve a political objective, then so be it.
This a democracy. One man one vote. Either use your vote or join in the political debate. Stand for the party of your choice or start your own. Too many people have died (two world wars & countless other actions) in order to preserve your right to live in a democratic state. If you don't like it then buy your own desert island and go and live on it. If you join the hooligans and thugs that make a mockery of the law then you are no better than the basest of all animals. Many years ago I learned to be a happy tax payer. Everyone needs to pay their fair share and play a vocal part in a democratic state.
theblacktuscks said:
This a democracy. One man one vote. Either use your vote or join in the political debate. Stand for the party of your choice or start your own. Too many people have died (two world wars & countless other actions) in order to preserve your right to live in a democratic state. If you don't like it then buy your own desert island and go and live on it. If you join the hooligans and thugs that make a mockery of the law then you are no better than the basest of all animals. Many years ago I learned to be a happy tax payer. Everyone needs to pay their fair share and play a vocal part in a democratic state.
Have to disagree with you there old man, in a democracy, every issue is taken to a vote.
What WE have is a "Parlimentary Democracy" which means that WE vote them in on what they promise, and then they "Do what the hell they like" for 5 yrs.
After that you can vote them out. But hey! it's too late, they've already done it and guess what, the next government will NEVER reverse what has been done by the previous one.
To quote Ricky "whatisname" er, Thomplinson? Democracy!! MY ARSE!!!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Sunday 5th September 01:26
theblacktuscks said:
This a democracy. One man one vote. Either use your vote or join in the political debate. Stand for the party of your choice or start your own. Too many people have died (two world wars & countless other actions) in order to preserve your right to live in a democratic state. If you don't like it then buy your own desert island and go and live on it. If you join the hooligans and thugs that make a mockery of the law then you are no better than the basest of all animals. Many years ago I learned to be a happy tax payer. Everyone needs to pay their fair share and play a vocal part in a democratic state.
Fantastic post......
You all know that I'm not a fan of cameras and am a avid supporter of more Trafpol instead. However, when I hear of people wanting to commit criminal damage as a way of expressing their anger, you lose my sympathy every time...
My family weren't too keen on the poll tax, but we didn't throw darts at police horses, dog shit in Bib faces or smash the windows of McDonalds!
Street
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