Unmarked Golf R on A24: Caught at 97mph

[Mangante]

I got collard by an unmarked Golf R at 11.00am yesterday on the A24 and just wondered what I should expect in way of points and find if anyone can shed some light?
It has been refered to court as I was 1mph above the normal heres a ticket sir tollerance.
I have had a look and there seems to be massive variances.

[emicen]

Mangante said:

I got collard by an unmarked Golf R at 11.00am yesterday on the A24 and just wondered what I should expect in way of points and find if anyone can shed some light?
It has been refered to court as I was 1mph above the normal heres a ticket sir tollerance.
I have had a look and there seems to be massive variances.

No way to predict tbh. Depends on what charge they try to go for, how much you spunk on a lawyer and whether the judge has a personal agenda against speeders.

My mate got done at 120+ on the motorway a while back. Book thrown at him, hefty fine and year's ban. Similar levels of speed over the limit around the same time reported in the media got as little as 2 month ban and £500 fine.

Motoring offences outside the fixed penalty window are extremely unpredictable.

[Exige77]

I was on the A24 yesterday at that time. (Brighton to Gatwick)

That stretch has been full of unmarked cars and Scameras for a while now.

Our Sussex group regularly reports new unmarked cars.

With that and the 40mph Roadworks I just sit at 70/75 now.

Hope the OP's outcome is not too bad.

Ex77

[Mangante]

Thats the A23!!

Exige77 said:

I was on the A24 yesterday at that time. (Brighton to Gatwick)

That stretch has been full of unmarked cars and Scameras for a while now.

Our Sussex group regularly reports new unmarked cars.

With that and the 40mph Roadworks I just sit at 70/75 now.

Hope the OP's outcome is not too bad.

Ex77

[y2blade]

emicen said:

Motoring offences outside the fixed penalty window are extremely unpredictable.

This^^^^

Too many variables to have a "set menu".

[SMB]

Mangante said:

I got collard by an unmarked Golf R at 11.00am yesterday on the A24 and just wondered what I should expect in way of points and find if anyone can shed some light?
It has been refered to court as I was 1mph above the normal heres a ticket sir tollerance.
I have had a look and there seems to be massive variances.

I think we need more information, the A24 is a series of relatively short 70mph sections interupted by sections of 50, 60 mph and cameras. To get to 97 shows intention even in a 70mph section, but was this also in a 50 or 60 section?

[Mangante]

If you know the A24 its the section going north from the McDonalds lights. I had come out from Cowfold direction and had lined up on the front row of the grid/lights!! It so lends itself to a drag race. Matey next to me went off at a lick and I gunned it past him. I hadnt noticed plod was sat behind oppostion and think he would have gone for him had I not blasted off quickest.
He informed me it is a 70mph section.

I think we need more information, the A24 is a series of relatively short 70mph sections interupted by sections of 50, 60 mph and cameras. To get to 97 shows intention even in a 70mph section, but was this also in a 50 or 60 section?
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[emicen]

Mangante said:

If you know the A24 its the section going north from the McDonalds lights. I had come out from Cowfold direction and had lined up on the front row of the grid/lights!! It so lends itself to a drag race. Matey next to me went off at a lick and I gunned it past him. I hadnt noticed plod was sat behind oppostion and think he would have gone for him had I not blasted off quickest.
He informed me it is a 70mph section.

Would strongly not recommend that terminology when pleading your case in court

[Mangante]

I did rather stupidly say and then quickly retract when he asked why I had blasted off I responded with " i was just blowing away the cobwebs and also that I spotted the R and thought you wanted to race"!! Oops but it wasnt taken down.

emicen said:

Would strongly not recommend that terminology when pleading your case in court

[SMB]

Mangante said:

If you know the A24 its the section going north from the McDonalds lights. I had come out from Cowfold direction and had lined up on the front row of the grid/lights!! It so lends itself to a drag race. Matey next to me went off at a lick and I gunned it past him. I hadnt noticed plod was sat behind oppostion and think he would have gone for him had I not blasted off quickest.
He informed me it is a 70mph section.

well the first few hundred yards is 50mph from the lights, followed by a short 70mph section to a roundabout. So to get to 97 actual you were pushing it. With the poor road surface I've seen numerous cars in hedges or missing the roundabout over the years. How far did you get before you were stopped?

[Mangante]

I spotted it was plod after hitting 97 and eased off. Its not that I gunned it all the way and I went back to 70. When I dropped to 70 and he didnt move past it confirmed that it was plod.
He pulled in front just by the second roundabout and took me into the services.

SMB said:

well the first few hundred yards is 50mph from the lights, followed by a short 70mph section to a roundabout. So to get to 97 actual you were pushing it. With the poor road surface I've seen numerous cars in hedges or missing the roundabout over the years. How far did you get before you were stopped?

[CAPP0]

Mangante said:

I did rather stupidly say and then quickly retract when he asked why I had blasted off I responded with " i was just blowing away the cobwebs and also that I spotted the R and thought you wanted to race"!! Oops but it wasnt taken down.

emicen said:

Would strongly not recommend that terminology when pleading your case in court

Fail upon fail! All academic now but I wonder whether, had your response been different and NOT included that ridiculously-stupid own-head-in-noose comment, your ticket might have been for 96mph, 3 points and £60!

[Mangante]

Cappo, there was no amount of groveling that was going to get me off or knocked down. As its all recorded on the system they had no option but to carry through at 97.

CAPP0 said:

Fail upon fail! All academic now but I wonder whether, had your response been different and NOT included that ridiculously-stupid own-head-in-noose comment, your ticket might have been for 96mph, 3 points and £60!

[creampuff]

Mangante said:

Cappo, there was no amount of groveling that was going to get me off or knocked down. As its all recorded on the system they had no option but to carry through at 97.

CAPP0 said:

Fail upon fail! All academic now but I wonder whether, had your response been different and NOT included that ridiculously-stupid own-head-in-noose comment, your ticket might have been for 96mph, 3 points and £60!

Plod could have written it up for whatever they wanted. At most, all that is "in the system" would be plod's own speed. Their speed does not necessarily equal your speed. I think you talked yourself into a court appearance.

Edited by creampuff on Monday 25th February 15:08

[Mangante]

Sorry I didnt see you in the car too!

creampuff said:

Plot could have written it up for whatever they wanted. At most, all that is "in the system" would be plod's own speed. Their speed does not necessarily equal your speed. I think you talked yourself into a court appearance.

[Fubar1977]

Mangante said:

Sorry I didnt see you in the car too!

creampuff said:

Plot could have written it up for whatever they wanted. At most, all that is "in the system" would be plod's own speed. Their speed does not necessarily equal your speed. I think you talked yourself into a court appearance.

Think you may just have failed the attitude test.
Creampuff`s probably right.

[Durzel]

Mangante said:

Sorry I didnt see you in the car too!

He's right though.

Admitting you were racing someone off the lights is insane.

[Mangante]

This is what I asked. far too much told you so going on. All I wanted was a steer as to what the fine may be.

Mangante said:

I got collard by an unmarked Golf R at 11.00am yesterday on the A24 and just wondered what I should expect in way of points and find if anyone can shed some light?
It has been refered to court as I was 1mph above the normal heres a ticket sir tollerance.
I have had a look and there seems to be massive variances.

[Exige77]

Mangante said:

Thats the A23!!

Exige77 said:

I was on the A24 yesterday at that time. (Brighton to Gatwick)

That stretch has been full of unmarked cars and Scameras for a while now.

Our Sussex group regularly reports new unmarked cars.

With that and the 40mph Roadworks I just sit at 70/75 now.

Hope the OP's outcome is not too bad.

Ex77

Yes, realised just after posting
Ex77

[Durzel]

Points: 4-6
Normal fine range: £263 - £438
Disqualification possible? Consider 7-28 days
Maximum fine: £1000

Fine will be means-tested. You're at the lower end of the scale for disqualification so I'd expect points to be awarded commensurate with your attitude in court, etc.