To drive or not to drive?
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A vehicle I am in control of on behalf of an organisation. The v5 was lost and we were unable to tax it. Before we could sort the problem the council got it lifted and taken to the car pound.
I have paid £385.00 to have it released from the pound and now have control of the vehicle again.
Because we have lost the v5 I have had to apply for a new one. The DVLA will write to the previous keeper and ask if they are happy to allow the vehicle to be transferred to an alternative keeper. Because there is something wrong with the details the DVLA have nobody will respond to that request. We will have to wait aprox 4 to 6 weeks for the replacement V5 to come though.
The DVLA in the meantime have advised to keep the vehicle off the road. I have told them this wouldn't be possible as we have nowhere to put it. I also have to use the vehicle.
I made two separate enquiries to the DVLA and got more or less the same answer on both occassions. i.e. nothing can be done and have to keep the car off the road.
I know not having tax is mearly a civil offence dealt with by fixed penalty etc but surprised there is no official way to sort this out?
Does anyone know anything?
I have paid £385.00 to have it released from the pound and now have control of the vehicle again.
Because we have lost the v5 I have had to apply for a new one. The DVLA will write to the previous keeper and ask if they are happy to allow the vehicle to be transferred to an alternative keeper. Because there is something wrong with the details the DVLA have nobody will respond to that request. We will have to wait aprox 4 to 6 weeks for the replacement V5 to come though.
The DVLA in the meantime have advised to keep the vehicle off the road. I have told them this wouldn't be possible as we have nowhere to put it. I also have to use the vehicle.
I made two separate enquiries to the DVLA and got more or less the same answer on both occassions. i.e. nothing can be done and have to keep the car off the road.
I know not having tax is mearly a civil offence dealt with by fixed penalty etc but surprised there is no official way to sort this out?
Does anyone know anything?
I've no idea if this would work, but can't you tax it online?
OK, the tax disc may get sent to the wrong place, but at least it will show as taxed when checked, and you can sort it out once the V5C has been re-issued.
Continuing to use the vehicle untaxed is ridiculous, as is leaving it where the DVLAs enforcers can get at it - there must be somewhere it can be stored?
OK, the tax disc may get sent to the wrong place, but at least it will show as taxed when checked, and you can sort it out once the V5C has been re-issued.
Continuing to use the vehicle untaxed is ridiculous, as is leaving it where the DVLAs enforcers can get at it - there must be somewhere it can be stored?
I think you would have to have the tax reminder form or the v5 if you want to buy a tax disc. Even if you do it online you still have to type in the number from the reminder form.
The DVLA have said keep it off the road even if you don't have anywhere to keep it. i.e. basically asking me to perform the impossible.
The problem with the v5 is that I have applied for a new one. The DVLA are legally obliged to write to the previous keeper and ask them if they wish to transfer the vehicle to a new keeper. Because the details are wrong on their system the DVLA won't get a response so will have to wait for the full 14-day period to expire. Tack on a week at either end for faffing about and then another week for the postal system and you are looking at 4 to 6 weeks without being able to use the car.
They have told me there is nothing they can do. As I say, I spoke to two different operators!
The DVLA have said keep it off the road even if you don't have anywhere to keep it. i.e. basically asking me to perform the impossible.
The problem with the v5 is that I have applied for a new one. The DVLA are legally obliged to write to the previous keeper and ask them if they wish to transfer the vehicle to a new keeper. Because the details are wrong on their system the DVLA won't get a response so will have to wait for the full 14-day period to expire. Tack on a week at either end for faffing about and then another week for the postal system and you are looking at 4 to 6 weeks without being able to use the car.
They have told me there is nothing they can do. As I say, I spoke to two different operators!
godfearinglayman said:
I think you would have to have the tax reminder form or the v5 if you want to buy a tax disc. Even if you do it online you still have to type in the number from the reminder form.
The DVLA have said keep it off the road even if you don't have anywhere to keep it. i.e. basically asking me to perform the impossible.
The problem with the v5 is that I have applied for a new one. The DVLA are legally obliged to write to the previous keeper and ask them if they wish to transfer the vehicle to a new keeper. Because the details are wrong on their system the DVLA won't get a response so will have to wait for the full 14-day period to expire. Tack on a week at either end for faffing about and then another week for the postal system and you are looking at 4 to 6 weeks without being able to use the car.
They have told me there is nothing they can do. As I say, I spoke to two different operators!
Nope, simply turn up at DVLA office with money, proof of MOT & insurance and say give me a Tax Disc.The DVLA have said keep it off the road even if you don't have anywhere to keep it. i.e. basically asking me to perform the impossible.
The problem with the v5 is that I have applied for a new one. The DVLA are legally obliged to write to the previous keeper and ask them if they wish to transfer the vehicle to a new keeper. Because the details are wrong on their system the DVLA won't get a response so will have to wait for the full 14-day period to expire. Tack on a week at either end for faffing about and then another week for the postal system and you are looking at 4 to 6 weeks without being able to use the car.
They have told me there is nothing they can do. As I say, I spoke to two different operators!
If V5 is in the works than they wont ask you to buy another one, if it isn't then it will cost £25
Job Jobbed.
Source - Been there and done it.....
I wonder why they did not advise me of this possibility? Have I left out some minor detail somewhere which would make a difference?
They do make mistakes sometimes. For instance, I remember once they did not know that a car can be on the road without being insured. That has changed recently with the continious registration regime but before that it was perfectly legal to have a car parked on the road with no insurance. Just had to be mot'ed and taxed.
So does the vehicle have to be in your name or do you have to be able to quote the details of where the vehicle is registered or do they really not care? Do they just want insurance / MOT and that's it? I have both of those.
They do make mistakes sometimes. For instance, I remember once they did not know that a car can be on the road without being insured. That has changed recently with the continious registration regime but before that it was perfectly legal to have a car parked on the road with no insurance. Just had to be mot'ed and taxed.
So does the vehicle have to be in your name or do you have to be able to quote the details of where the vehicle is registered or do they really not care? Do they just want insurance / MOT and that's it? I have both of those.
godfearinglayman said:
For instance, I remember once they did not know that a car can be on the road without being insured. That has changed recently with the continious registration regime but before that it was perfectly legal to have a car parked on the road with no insurance. Just had to be mot'ed and taxed.
Wrong on that front I'm afraid. It was an offence to keep a vehicle on a road even prior to continuous insurance.14-7 said:
godfearinglayman said:
For instance, I remember once they did not know that a car can be on the road without being insured. That has changed recently with the continious registration regime but before that it was perfectly legal to have a car parked on the road with no insurance. Just had to be mot'ed and taxed.
Wrong on that front I'm afraid. It was an offence to keep a vehicle on a road even prior to continuous insurance.godfearinglayman said:
o, it simply applied to driving it. We may be going back 6 or 7 years here. But when pressed for an answer the operator at the DVLA checked with a senior advisor and confirmed the insurance was for driving the car. Why do you think they changed the law?
14-7 is right, you are wrong. Insurance has been required to keep a vehicle on the road for longer than I have been driving (long time).the continuous insurance rule you refer to has nothing to do with where the vehicle is parked.
Edited by Spitfire2 on Monday 25th February 18:28
Spitfire2 said:
godfearinglayman said:
o, it simply applied to driving it. We may be going back 6 or 7 years here. But when pressed for an answer the operator at the DVLA checked with a senior advisor and confirmed the insurance was for driving the car. Why do you think they changed the law?
14-7 is right, you are wrong. Insurance has been required to keep a vehicle on the road for longer than I have been driving (long time).the continuous insurance rule you refer to has nothing to do with where the vehicle is parked.
Edited by Spitfire2 on Monday 25th February 18:28
if on the highway it has to be insured, that hasn't changed in many years.So how would the rule have been enforced?
You can't proescute the driver if there isn't one. There wouldn't be one if the vehicle was stationary at the time of the 'offence'
Being a car nut I used to do this all the time. On a couple of occassions I got insurance, taxed the car and then cancelled the insurance just so I could keep the car by the side of the road 'legally' - nothing ever happened.
You can't proescute the driver if there isn't one. There wouldn't be one if the vehicle was stationary at the time of the 'offence'
Being a car nut I used to do this all the time. On a couple of occassions I got insurance, taxed the car and then cancelled the insurance just so I could keep the car by the side of the road 'legally' - nothing ever happened.
godfearinglayman said:
So how would the rule have been enforced?
You can't proescute the driver if there isn't one. There wouldn't be one if the vehicle was stationary at the time of the 'offence'
Being a car nut I used to do this all the time. On a couple of occassions I got insurance, taxed the car and then cancelled the insurance just so I could keep the car by the side of the road 'legally' - nothing ever happened.
Not much of a car nut if you don't know the rules :/ You can't proescute the driver if there isn't one. There wouldn't be one if the vehicle was stationary at the time of the 'offence'
Being a car nut I used to do this all the time. On a couple of occassions I got insurance, taxed the car and then cancelled the insurance just so I could keep the car by the side of the road 'legally' - nothing ever happened.
You've heard the facts but are convinced your alternative reality is correct. The fact you got away with stuff does not make you right I'm afraid.
This is by no means proof that I am certianly right but it does appear to confirm my earlier experience of the operation of the motor insurance requirement.
If you read the UK section of the article it describes what I felt was the reality prior to the introduction of continuious registration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_insurance
Back on topic, off the back of earlier advice here I'm going to go to my local DVLA office tomorrow and see if I can get a tax disc without a v5. Will report back. As I say, in my experience it wouldn't be the first time I have recieved faulty advice from the DVLA.
If you read the UK section of the article it describes what I felt was the reality prior to the introduction of continuious registration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_insurance
Back on topic, off the back of earlier advice here I'm going to go to my local DVLA office tomorrow and see if I can get a tax disc without a v5. Will report back. As I say, in my experience it wouldn't be the first time I have recieved faulty advice from the DVLA.
godfearinglayman said:
This is by no means proof that I am certianly right but it does appear to confirm my earlier experience of the operation of the motor insurance requirement.
If you read the UK section of the article it describes what I felt was the reality prior to the introduction of continuious registration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_insurance
I suspect you don't understand what "use" means in this context.If you read the UK section of the article it describes what I felt was the reality prior to the introduction of continuious registration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_insurance
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