Is this another misuse of s59 notices?
Discussion
Aside from judging the real issues here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-2189534...
What's the usual penalty for pulling over for a chat on a single yellow after 6pm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-2189534...
beeb said:
Sgt Casey said police would use powers under the Police Reform Act to issue warning notices.
"The act of kerb-crawling, for instance, often walks hand in hand with inconsiderate driving or driving without due care or attention," he said.
If it's s59 doesnt it have to be both inconsiderate in the sense of wheel spinning, handbrake turns and liable to cause offence "The act of kerb-crawling, for instance, often walks hand in hand with inconsiderate driving or driving without due care or attention," he said.
What's the usual penalty for pulling over for a chat on a single yellow after 6pm?
It is a bit ridiculous, this s59 thing.
I understand it's a useful tool to give to anti-social nutcases who drive on public roads around around traffic in car parks like mentalists, but I have heard a lot of stories about grown-ups and normally responsible people being given these, and it's overkill.
But some BiB seem to hand them out like candy.
They appear pretty harmless at first - I mean, you get a warning and a piece of paper, and can then drive off bereft of points and fines in the first instance. But it's a dangerous bit of legislation, because as we all know, once awarded one you're basically a marked man for ever, and any indiscretion in the future results in what can sometimes be a ridiculous over-reaction by the authorites.
Even more annoyingly, despite the fact that some kids well deserve a s59, someone more mature might cop one for being a bit keen in a genuine performance car, who at all other times is a decent driver, with good observation, skills, attention to conditions, good lane discipline etc. etc.
Whereas the REAL menaces (like I saw numerous examples of today on a jaunt up the M3, round the M25 and up the M1) - such as mindless inattentives all over the road thinking of anything except their driving, middle-lane morons, girls in shopping cars chatting away on mobile phones and stressy Mum-types in people carriers and huge 4x4's driving less than an inch from the car in front in the rain - will never get a s59...
I understand it's a useful tool to give to anti-social nutcases who drive on public roads around around traffic in car parks like mentalists, but I have heard a lot of stories about grown-ups and normally responsible people being given these, and it's overkill.
But some BiB seem to hand them out like candy.
They appear pretty harmless at first - I mean, you get a warning and a piece of paper, and can then drive off bereft of points and fines in the first instance. But it's a dangerous bit of legislation, because as we all know, once awarded one you're basically a marked man for ever, and any indiscretion in the future results in what can sometimes be a ridiculous over-reaction by the authorites.
Even more annoyingly, despite the fact that some kids well deserve a s59, someone more mature might cop one for being a bit keen in a genuine performance car, who at all other times is a decent driver, with good observation, skills, attention to conditions, good lane discipline etc. etc.
Whereas the REAL menaces (like I saw numerous examples of today on a jaunt up the M3, round the M25 and up the M1) - such as mindless inattentives all over the road thinking of anything except their driving, middle-lane morons, girls in shopping cars chatting away on mobile phones and stressy Mum-types in people carriers and huge 4x4's driving less than an inch from the car in front in the rain - will never get a s59...
saaby93 said:
vonhosen said:
And the possibilities for both are wider than tyres squealing & handbrake turns etc.
yes I know - didnt they put the range in the statute? It' been discussed beforeI'm not sure pausing on a single yellow line counts as inconsiderate
Good on them!
Good use of S59 - and even if they never seize a single car, giving out the notices should have the desired effect in sufficient number of cases to have an impact on the problem experienced by folks who live in the area.
You would hope that the Senior Officers in the force are lobbying for more effective powers to deal with the issue if S59 isn't working.
I suspect that some of the folks who pick up a S59 notice under this operation will never have had anything like that before and will be from a background that allows them to put in a legal challenge if they feel they have been "wronged" - though whether they would actually want to, given the circumstances under which they were given it is another matter, of course.
Good use of S59 - and even if they never seize a single car, giving out the notices should have the desired effect in sufficient number of cases to have an impact on the problem experienced by folks who live in the area.
You would hope that the Senior Officers in the force are lobbying for more effective powers to deal with the issue if S59 isn't working.
I suspect that some of the folks who pick up a S59 notice under this operation will never have had anything like that before and will be from a background that allows them to put in a legal challenge if they feel they have been "wronged" - though whether they would actually want to, given the circumstances under which they were given it is another matter, of course.
Pontoneer said:
It is normally women who stop to ask directions ; men generally KNOW where they're going .
I think you'll find the reality is:Women stop and ask for directions because they're not afraid to admit they're lost.
Men do not stop to ask for directions because they refuse to admit they're lost!
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
It is a bit ridiculous, this s59 thing.
Even more annoyingly, despite the fact that some kids well deserve a s59, someone more mature might cop one for being a bit keen in a genuine performance car, who at all other times is a decent driver, with good observation, skills, attention to conditions, good lane discipline etc. etc.
so. my S5 isn't a genuine performance car? just because im 21 i deserve a section 59?Even more annoyingly, despite the fact that some kids well deserve a s59, someone more mature might cop one for being a bit keen in a genuine performance car, who at all other times is a decent driver, with good observation, skills, attention to conditions, good lane discipline etc. etc.
just because somebody is "mature" and a good driver most of the time isn't license to hoon now and again if there good most of the time.
that's like saying "well, i don't usually shout profanity in the street so i can get away with it now and then"
i agree that the section 59 is misused by police that believe we live in soviet Russia. but it is a lot harder being a younger car enthusiast. i got a section 59 for talking to a friend in a car park. i wasn't even in my car!!!
4rephill said:
I think you'll find the reality is:
Women stop and ask for directions because they're not afraid to admit they're lost.
Men do not stop to ask for directions because they refuse to admit they're lost!
Without trying to turn a light hearted comment into an all out gender debate .Women stop and ask for directions because they're not afraid to admit they're lost.
Men do not stop to ask for directions because they refuse to admit they're lost!
While there is some truth in what you say , in my experience men do have a much better sense of direction and navigational skills than women .
I can generally find my way to somewhere without difficulty ( these days sat nav takes the work out of it ) and if I have been somewhere once , can usually find my way back , even years later ; whereas SWMBO just gets lost and often asks me to take her to her friends' houses because she can never remember the way .
There is most definitely a difference between the genders ; it probably correlates in some way to the differences in spatial awareness that sees differing abilities in things like parking , judging gaps in traffic etc .
First time my now wife directed me to meet her parents 70 miles from my home, she exclaimed "Turn left there!"
"Where?" I asked.. not seeing even a driveway...
"Back there" she said "you past it before I shouted!"
Next time we went, I drove all the way without having to ask, much to her amazement!
Pontoneer said:
Without trying to turn a light hearted comment into an all out gender debate .
While there is some truth in what you say , in my experience men do have a much better sense of direction and navigational skills than women .
I can generally find my way to somewhere without difficulty ( these days sat nav takes the work out of it ) and if I have been somewhere once , can usually find my way back , even years later ; whereas SWMBO just gets lost and often asks me to take her to her friends' houses because she can never remember the way .
There is most definitely a difference between the genders ; it probably correlates in some way to the differences in spatial awareness that sees differing abilities in things like parking , judging gaps in traffic etc .
You'll be in trouble when you take her to a new friend's house without directions.While there is some truth in what you say , in my experience men do have a much better sense of direction and navigational skills than women .
I can generally find my way to somewhere without difficulty ( these days sat nav takes the work out of it ) and if I have been somewhere once , can usually find my way back , even years later ; whereas SWMBO just gets lost and often asks me to take her to her friends' houses because she can never remember the way .
There is most definitely a difference between the genders ; it probably correlates in some way to the differences in spatial awareness that sees differing abilities in things like parking , judging gaps in traffic etc .
n1cky said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
It is a bit ridiculous, this s59 thing.
Even more annoyingly, despite the fact that some kids well deserve a s59, someone more mature might cop one for being a bit keen in a genuine performance car, who at all other times is a decent driver, with good observation, skills, attention to conditions, good lane discipline etc. etc.
so. my S5 isn't a genuine performance car? just because im 21 i deserve a section 59?Even more annoyingly, despite the fact that some kids well deserve a s59, someone more mature might cop one for being a bit keen in a genuine performance car, who at all other times is a decent driver, with good observation, skills, attention to conditions, good lane discipline etc. etc.
just because somebody is "mature" and a good driver most of the time isn't license to hoon now and again if there good most of the time.
And you're not a kid at 21 either
When I said some kids deserve a s59, I mean 18 year old chavs who drive silly s
tboxes with loud exhausts etc. driving in a completely anti-social manner all over the place, endangering themselves and everyone else around them.It's them who deserve a s59. Not the likes of you.
Meoricin said:
Pontoneer said:
Without trying to turn a light hearted comment into an all out gender debate .
While there is some truth in what you say , in my experience men do have a much better sense of direction and navigational skills than women .
I can generally find my way to somewhere without difficulty ( these days sat nav takes the work out of it ) and if I have been somewhere once , can usually find my way back , even years later ; whereas SWMBO just gets lost and often asks me to take her to her friends' houses because she can never remember the way .
There is most definitely a difference between the genders ; it probably correlates in some way to the differences in spatial awareness that sees differing abilities in things like parking , judging gaps in traffic etc .
You'll be in trouble when you take her to a new friend's house without directions.While there is some truth in what you say , in my experience men do have a much better sense of direction and navigational skills than women .
I can generally find my way to somewhere without difficulty ( these days sat nav takes the work out of it ) and if I have been somewhere once , can usually find my way back , even years later ; whereas SWMBO just gets lost and often asks me to take her to her friends' houses because she can never remember the way .
There is most definitely a difference between the genders ; it probably correlates in some way to the differences in spatial awareness that sees differing abilities in things like parking , judging gaps in traffic etc .
A former colleague of mine gave a female colleague, young, mildly attractive, impressive lungs a lift home after a works do while he had his live in girlfriend in the car.
'How did you know where she lived?' was the obvious question he should have perhaps anticipated.
I've stopped in Oxford and got out of the car to ask directions to a Cinema, it was for the rerelease of The Italian Job in '99/'00. The woman was saying right and pointing left. Midly amusing as my mate in the car witnessed it too.
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