Driver improvement Scheme

[Streetcop]

D.I.S. is an alternative to prosecution for minor accidents and such like, where blame is appropriated to a driver for driving without due care....

Have a look;

www.driver-improvement.org.uk/ndis_background.htm

Street

[WildCat]

Streetcop said:

D.I.S. is an alternative to prosecution for minor accidents and such like, where blame is appropriated to a driver for driving without due care.... Have a look; www.driver-improvement.org.uk/ndis_background.htm Street

It is a good idea - providing used properly.

Lieber Officer Dibble told me all about it ages ago - und I am sure he will tell you all about it as I understand BiBs and ADIs in Lancs deliver it....after he has scooped up the drunks in that quaint little seaside town of his ..... that brash, brassy little number who is all dressed up to kill in pretty lighting at the moment

[Flat in Fifth]

WildCat said:

that quaint little seaside town of his ..... that brash, brassy little number who is all dressed up to kill in pretty lighting at the moment

Apologies and acknowledgements to Mike Harding.

They ought to put ropes and red lamps round Blackpool, with a big sign saying "Danger! Hole in the world"














Oops forgot they do that already, called the Illuminations I believe.

Eye Thank yew.

[mybrainhurts]

Streetcop said:

D.I.S. is an alternative............ Street

To channel penalty cash into police coffers instead of letting Gordy get his grubby hands on it..........

[turbobloke]

If all this suppopsed driver training does is attempt to brainwash motorists about "speed kills", like the speed awareness courses, it'll be a total waste of time and money. If the time and money is used to provide some useful, individualised driver training based on each person's bad habits and the need to focus on hazard awareness and anticipation through observation (etc etc) then OK. In practical terms sitting through any old claptrap is better than accumulating points so I guess it will get lots of punters if they have a choice.

[Streetcop]

So if a driver really has some problems..say with speed perception or hazard awareness...you would much prefer they recieve 3 points and £60 fine following a due/care accident?

Or would it be better to have the driver attend a short course that might identify and iron the problem out and therefor mean less chance of future accidents for that driver..

Street

[WildCat]

turbobloke said:

If all this suppopsed driver training does is attempt to brainwash motorists about "speed kills", like the speed awareness courses, it'll be a total waste of time and money. If the time and money is used to provide some useful, individualised driver training based on each person's bad habits and the need to focus on hazard awareness and anticipation through observation (etc etc) then OK. In practical terms sitting through any old claptrap is better than accumulating points so I guess it will get lots of punters if they have a choice.

Aber doch - Liebchen!

From what my reps tell me - und based on the notes they made from this Speed Course in Lancs - it was more "hazard perception" than anything else. The main issue people had about it was fact that they were targetting the wrong people - between 31-35mph.

This undermined the initiative and branded it as another "money spinner". It is - but not as much as it was!

Until recent revision where up to 35mph gets a stern letter and 36-37 mph get the course. Und they have opened it up to other "marginals" across the speed limit range.

Do not know much about how they operate DIS - but Dibble did post back to me some time ago that this one is taught by both Traffic BiBs and ADIs - und "Speed Course" is taught by ADIs only!

But really - we should be thinking about bringing a refresher into normal "driving careers" anyway - graded so that there is incentive to do well - und prize is reduction on insurance premium!

[medicineman]

I'm definately in favour of driver education rather than faceless punishment. Most people believe they are execellent driver, most of them aren't. Mind you depends on the content of the course. I rather do the course than get the points.

[mrboost]

I Like the idea, but maybe the police should have an officer over watching the course.

For example I happened to be on a front cover of a magazine with my car (on a race track going round a corner, smoking the rear tyres)......Weekend after came out of my tyre place(new rubber on tyres) went round a 90 degree bend in wet weather at 25mph, got pulled by the BIB who were sat in there fully marked police car....They claimed I was trying to smoke my tyres, even though no smoke came off and my arse end only slipped out 2"...they claimed i had done it on purpose (which i didnt) they tried to do me for wreckless driving but my traction control did not even register (hence i now have full cctv recording upfront and at back, just like the BIB)...To cut a long story short i had to go on the course even though i really wanted to take erm to court.

I went on the course and to be honest no one will ever fail it, the driving instructers get paid either way and do not want to fail anyone. The course idea was good, and it does brush you up on the highway code etc, but i would love to see how many ppl have failed as there was an old chap there who could not even see correctly, his driving was terrible, very unsafe and they passed him...WHAT!!!!....Money making scheme came to my mind....cheaper than court fees though

[JMGS4]

Streetcop said:

So if a driver really has some problems..say with speed perception or hazard awareness...you would much prefer they recieve 3 points and £60 fine following a due/care accident? Or would it be better to have the driver attend a short course that might identify and iron the problem out and therefor mean less chance of future accidents for that driver.. Street

St Firstly there are few BiBs who are medically trained to be able to judge whether or not a person has or has not a speed perception awareness failure.

Secondly, I've spoken to a few who've been on these so called safety courses, and their reservations as to the good these do is apparent.

Using 1950's braking distances, greenslime so-called ecological theories which have NO BASE IN TRUTH and bent statistics as illustration, the poor BiB who took the courses also had an inability to agree with the socialist propaganda that scamera pratnerships and the government put out, BUT then because people asked him to define EXACTLY what was meant by these lies then shut them all out as interfering people who the "failed" the course!!!!
These are on the "courses" in the NE, in this case.

There MAY be good courses and if it helps then good, but blind obedience just because nanny state says so will lead to people driving even more poorly and trusting that a limit will be "safe", which of course ANY qualified driver knows is pure bovine manure!!!

This is probably why the statistics now show higher accident rates and deaths on GB roads..... the "nanny state should do the thinking therefore I don't have to" attitude from numpty drivers.......
hope I've put it understandably......

[Mad Dave]

I did it a few years ago after a car accident that was deemed to be my fault. A very useful 2 days IMHO - wholly recommended.

Dave

[Streetcop]

Mad Dave said:

I did it a few years ago after a car accident that was deemed to be my fault. A very useful 2 days IMHO - wholly recommended. Dave

Thanks for that Dave..

Street

[JMGS4]

Mad Dave said:

I did it a few years ago after a car accident that was deemed to be my fault. A very useful 2 days IMHO - wholly recommended. Dave

So it wasn't a police course then? as these are one day wonders, all of 6 hours, (in the NE that is).
Glad it was of use and constructive..I'd like to hear about it, also off board if you want......
John

[JMGS4]

Street
Funny how the site you gave above, doesn't give ANY details ob courses or what the course entails...is this a new policy to ensure no criticism from their "customers"? NB the course which a friend took in the NE was 5 years ago....and very poor.....
perhaps some improvement? although under this government and their socialist lapdogs I somehow doubt it...socialist/greenie propaganda and nothing about avoiding accidents through good driving practice, just Speed Kills bovine manure!!!

[cptsideways]

There is a very big difference between a "Speed Awareness Course" & a beginners course in "Safer Driver Techniques"


>> Edited by cptsideways on Thursday 7th October 08:51

[Mad Dave]

I dont know who mine was run by but it was called the Driver Improvement Scheme - it was 5 years ago and covered 2 days. I'd had an accident (largely down to inexperience - id not been driving long) and I had the option of taking a Careless Driving charge or taking the course, at a cost of £140. I took the course.

I found it very useful - sat with a driving instructor for 2 days basically, him telling me how my driving could be improved, making me aware of the traffic around me and being shown to think further ahead. There was also a short spell in a classroom where we were shown a cut section of car tyre and told "see how thin they are? Remember that next time youre parking etc and dont go clouting the kerb, youll damage your tyres", and also the obligatory speed kills stuff.

All in all I thought it was a fantastic idea - rather than effectively saying "This man is a new, inexperienced driver - to rectify this, we'll prosecute him, that'll solve the problem", they actually took a proactive stance and im sure my driving improved as a result.

Dave

[simonrockman]

Do you think I could take the course without having an offence and hold it in credit for next time?

Simon

[JMGS4]

cptsideways said:

There is a very big difference between a "Speed Awareness Course" & a beginners course in "Safer Driver Techniques"

Perhaps I'm muxing things ip? Have to check wahat course was called in South Shields.....

[JMGS4]

Mad Dave said:

I dont know who mine was run by but it was called the Driver Improvement Scheme - it was 5 years ago and covered 2 days. I'd had an accident (largely down to inexperience - id not been driving long) and I had the option of taking a Careless Driving charge or taking the course, at a cost of £140. I took the course. I found it very useful - sat with a driving instructor for 2 days basically, him telling me how my driving could be improved, making me aware of the traffic around me and being shown to think further ahead. There was also a short spell in a classroom where we were shown a cut section of car tyre and told "see how thin they are? Remember that next time youre parking etc and dont go clouting the kerb, youll damage your tyres", and also the obligatory speed kills stuff. All in all I thought it was a fantastic idea - rather than effectively saying "This man is a new, inexperienced driver - to rectify this, we'll prosecute him, that'll solve the problem", they actually took a proactive stance and im sure my driving improved as a result. Dave

Sounds like a very good course! Glad it helped, maybe I'm mixing it up with another type which they offer instead of points?
If they were all as described above, then numpties might have a chance of improving...... More of this good type of course please!!!!!
Driving practice with a good observer is always preferable to school-room nanny-state preaching by greenies and the "con(per?)verted"!!!!

[Dibble]

JMGS4 - I'll try and find out the content etc of the courses offered here. There are two avaiable, speed awareness and driver improvement. As soon as I have some detail, I'll post it here.

The courses aren't national yet - each local area has its own thing...