ACPO guidelines to speeding
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Pops head round door, looks round, no Street...
Except Lancashire.
Up to 35 mph in a 30 - Caution. (Only one allowed in 3 year period for first speeding offence. reoffend then offer of speed awareness course.)
36/37 mph - speed awareness course.
38 mph Fixed Penalty.
.... hey up he's coming back. Grabs coat and scarpers.
DVD
Except Lancashire.
Up to 35 mph in a 30 - Caution. (Only one allowed in 3 year period for first speeding offence. reoffend then offer of speed awareness course.)
36/37 mph - speed awareness course.
38 mph Fixed Penalty.
.... hey up he's coming back. Grabs coat and scarpers.
DVD
Streetcop said:actually, even worse, depending on the road, could be 66 in a 40. The only thing that makes me hesitate there is the number of suburban dual carriageways with 40 limits. Most of Hendon Way could at most times of day easily cope with a 50 limit for instance.
I agree with you Zod...100%
Its a problem because the majority of 30 limits are in town and residential areas. 50 in 30 is a mickey take, i understand what your saying regarding locations etc but nearly double the speed limit is a big no no if your anywhere near a residential area. Bear in mind a lot of people will be expecting you to be doing 30 or thereabouts before they pull out of junctions, cross the roads etc.
Gareth
Gareth
If every 30 limit was placed on a suitable 30 road then yes 50 is taking the piss. However I openly admit to doing between 55 and 60 in a 30 road near me on numerous occasions, it is very long and straight with no junctions. At night it is empty and I see no need to sit at 30 simply because a sign says so. I drive to my ability and confidence.
ben_london said:
If every 30 limit was placed on a suitable 30 road then yes 50 is taking the piss. However I openly admit to doing between 55 and 60 in a 30 road near me on numerous occasions, it is very long and straight with no junctions. At night it is empty and I see no need to sit at 30 simply because a sign says so. I drive to my ability and confidence.
I'm with you there buddy.
There is a spot in our area where one can enter a 30 mph limit at 50 to 55 mph (with the speed then reducing) with no chance whatsoever of anyone coming to harm. There is very good visibility and no possibility of a pedestrian or vehicle suddenly appearing and getting in the way. Best wishes all,
Dave.
id go along with that. while im sure this makes me a criminal, ill travel not at the speed limit but at a constantly variable limit that i impose on myself dependant on conditions, traffic, familiarity, etc etc. sometimes i think 10 mph is too quick. other times 50 is too slow.
other people will travel at 30 regardless of hazards and other people will also travel at 30 at 2 am on what was a nsl but has now been pointlessly restricted. to me that seems crazy.
however, the law is the law and i wont come on here crying if (when!) i get points for following my motoring philosophy.
the trouble is that most people dont even understand indicators, let alone, anticipation, spatial awareness etc etc, which is why we are in the situation we are in.
other people will travel at 30 regardless of hazards and other people will also travel at 30 at 2 am on what was a nsl but has now been pointlessly restricted. to me that seems crazy.
however, the law is the law and i wont come on here crying if (when!) i get points for following my motoring philosophy.
the trouble is that most people dont even understand indicators, let alone, anticipation, spatial awareness etc etc, which is why we are in the situation we are in.
paolow said:
the trouble is that most people dont even understand indicators, let alone, anticipation, spatial awareness etc etc, which is why we are in the situation we are in.
You have well and truly hit the nail on the head there mate for just about every speed related thread that's ever on here.
We're here because we love driving. Most of us probably have 'fast' or different cars, which we drive for enjoyment and not just to get from A to B. I personally HATE driving when i actaully have somewhere to go!
Unfortunately, the mum on the school run caning it along in her Shogun (which she bought because it "makes me feel safe"), or the local bulider in his piece of crap pick-up on the phone, do NOT enjoy driving. They are the ones who ruin it for people like us. They CANNOT be trusted to drive at an appropriate speed, raise their vision, or anticipate hazards.
99.9% of the driving public are nunpties, who have dozens of near-misses every day which they never even know about. Not necessarily their fault, there's loads of reasons, but there you have it. The public just can't be trusted to be given too much leeway with driving, because it will just be ignored and abused.
Themoss said:
We're here because we love driving. Most of us probably have 'fast' or different cars, which we drive for enjoyment and not just to get from A to B. I personally HATE driving when i actaully have somewhere to go!
Unfortunately, the mum on the school run caning it along in her Shogun (which she bought because it "makes me feel safe"), or the local bulider in his piece of crap pick-up on the phone, do NOT enjoy driving. They are the ones who ruin it for people like us. They CANNOT be trusted to drive at an appropriate speed, raise their vision, or anticipate hazards.
99.9% of the driving public are nunpties, who have dozens of near-misses every day which they never even know about.
With respect Thermoss I think that's a bit of a wild statement. 99.9% nunpties? Dozens of near misses every day? In any case, it depends on what you call a near miss.
I was talking to a local IAM member some time ago and he was telling me he regularly had near misses, and apparently what he meant was drivers pulling out in front of him and people coming up behind tailgating him. I don't find myself troubled by lots of people pulling out in front of me, so I'm bound to wonder just how much of an advanced (including defensive) driver he was if he has that much difficulty.
Thermoss said:
The public just can't be trusted to be given too much leeway with driving, because it will just be ignored and abused.
No, sorry Thermoss, that really leaves too many of us with a problem we don't need and don't want. What we (or at least I) do want is a system that does give more leeway to those who can demonstrate a suitably high standard of driving. If such a system were to be introduced and well publicised I think it would help to raise the level of interest in driving and that is bound to have beneficial effects in overall safety.
I do think one of the major problems is that most people are not really interested in driving, they just get on with it without thinking properly about what they are doing. We need to counter that attitude.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:
I was talking to a local IAM member some time ago and he was telling me he regularly had near misses, and apparently what he meant was drivers pulling out in front of him and people coming up behind tailgating him. I don't find myself troubled by lots of people pulling out in front of me, so I'm bound to wonder just how much of an advanced (including defensive) driver he was if he has that much difficulty.
IAM drivers have to stick to the speed limits everywhere, or slap themselves on the wrist as self-inflicted punishment (according to an IAM driver I knew). Perhaps that's why this guy is being tailgated?
TripleS said:
I do think one of the major problems is that most people are not really interested in driving, they just get on with it without thinking properly about what they are doing. We need to counter that attitude.
Correct. The roads get used by all abilities, which is why defensive driving is so important. The dangerous drivers are not those who do 90 when it's safe but who do 30 when it isn't.
Zod said:
I agree with you Zod...100%
actually, even worse, depending on the road, could be 66 in a 40. The only thing that makes me hesitate there is the number of suburban dual carriageways with 40 limits. Most of Hendon Way could at most times of day easily cope with a 50 limit for instance.
Unless of course it's on the A12/A102 approach to Blackwall tunnell, or the A13 between Dagenham and Beckton. Both 40 limits and both routinely ignored by 99% of drivers in complete safety.
Was behind a police van with "Police safety camera..." something or other written on the side a couple of days ago (ie he had been out all day busting people).
Needless to say he drove at 35 through the 30 limits and 65 through the 60 limits all the way back to his base.
Says it all really.
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