Discussion
We've discussed on here previously, a road up north called the Stocksbridge By-pass.
The road has been the location of many fatals and in the last couple of years has seen the introduction of a SPECS speed camera system.
Well, in March 2002, a mother in her BMW crashed head on into another vehicle killing her own twin boys, aged 4. (She survived)...
This week, two and a half years later, the grandmother of the twins, who never got over the loss, has taken her own life by jumping from a bridge onto the M1.
The BBC story reads:
A woman who died in a fall off a bridge over the M1 had been deeply affected by the death of her twin grandsons in a car accident, her family have said.
Christine Faulkner, 57, died on Friday in the incident at Thorpe Hesley, near Rotherham, South Yorkshire.
Her four-year-old grandsons Keiran and Thomas Moore died two years ago on the Stocksbridge bypass near Sheffield.
Mrs Faulkner's daughter, Joanne, was also seriously hurt in the accident when her BMW collided with a lorry.
Since the crash in March 2002, Mrs Faulkner's husband Ken, from Chapeltown, Sheffield, has led a campaign for safety improvement to the A616 bypass.
On Monday, her family issued a statement which said: "This is an extremely sad and upsetting occasion for the family as Christine will be greatly missed as a wife, mother and daughter.
"As a grandmother she loved the twins very much and doted on them. Their deaths affected her very, very badly."
The incident on Friday led to a northbound carriageway of the M1 being closed for more than one hour.
South Yorkshire Police say there are no suspicious circumstances.
The knock on effects of death on our roads, is far reaching.
Street
The road has been the location of many fatals and in the last couple of years has seen the introduction of a SPECS speed camera system.
Well, in March 2002, a mother in her BMW crashed head on into another vehicle killing her own twin boys, aged 4. (She survived)...
This week, two and a half years later, the grandmother of the twins, who never got over the loss, has taken her own life by jumping from a bridge onto the M1.
The BBC story reads:
A woman who died in a fall off a bridge over the M1 had been deeply affected by the death of her twin grandsons in a car accident, her family have said.
Christine Faulkner, 57, died on Friday in the incident at Thorpe Hesley, near Rotherham, South Yorkshire.
Her four-year-old grandsons Keiran and Thomas Moore died two years ago on the Stocksbridge bypass near Sheffield.
Mrs Faulkner's daughter, Joanne, was also seriously hurt in the accident when her BMW collided with a lorry.
Since the crash in March 2002, Mrs Faulkner's husband Ken, from Chapeltown, Sheffield, has led a campaign for safety improvement to the A616 bypass.
On Monday, her family issued a statement which said: "This is an extremely sad and upsetting occasion for the family as Christine will be greatly missed as a wife, mother and daughter.
"As a grandmother she loved the twins very much and doted on them. Their deaths affected her very, very badly."
The incident on Friday led to a northbound carriageway of the M1 being closed for more than one hour.
South Yorkshire Police say there are no suspicious circumstances.
The knock on effects of death on our roads, is far reaching.
Street
Street.
Thats so sad.
Yes, the effects of fatals tends to repercusse for years later. You guys are the unfortunates that have to call round to deliver the terrible news.
Blademan.
P.S. Are you still going to sell the Blackbird.
I was out this morning on my 'blade, having not ridden it for a week or so, and I must say I missed it. 'Tis expensive on servicing, tyres and chains though.
Thats so sad.
Yes, the effects of fatals tends to repercusse for years later. You guys are the unfortunates that have to call round to deliver the terrible news.
Blademan.
P.S. Are you still going to sell the Blackbird.
I was out this morning on my 'blade, having not ridden it for a week or so, and I must say I missed it. 'Tis expensive on servicing, tyres and chains though.
Found some more background in the archives on this road:
"Right, average company rep (or anyone else) has travelled from Manchester at 4.30 pm towards Sheffield, he/she has sat behind a 18 wheeler for 20 miles over the Woodhead pass averaging 25 mph on a 60mph road where it is possible to get the boot down(ish) if their is little traffic.
Driver becomes frustrated by this.
Driver stills sits behind 18 wheeler, now doing 30mph on the run down towards Stocksbridge.
Driver becomes more irate as his journey is taking 3 times what it should.
Driver gets to Stocksbridge bypass, and sees, at last after 25 miles, 2 lanes instead of one. Driver nails it to get past as many of the 18 wheelers in convoy as possible and either doesn't quite make it and crashes into bollards, or swerves to the other side of the road and wipes out another car. Or 1 of the other 30 cars that has stacked up behind rep driver does this. This can happen both ways as most of the bypass is high speed single carriage way with no opportunity to overtake. I've seen this happen nearly every time I have been on the bypass, always a near accident as someone tries to overtake as frustration gets the better off them. Camera's will not solve this problem.
More road space will."
>> Edited by cuneus on Tuesday 5th October 11:25
"Right, average company rep (or anyone else) has travelled from Manchester at 4.30 pm towards Sheffield, he/she has sat behind a 18 wheeler for 20 miles over the Woodhead pass averaging 25 mph on a 60mph road where it is possible to get the boot down(ish) if their is little traffic.
Driver becomes frustrated by this.
Driver stills sits behind 18 wheeler, now doing 30mph on the run down towards Stocksbridge.
Driver becomes more irate as his journey is taking 3 times what it should.
Driver gets to Stocksbridge bypass, and sees, at last after 25 miles, 2 lanes instead of one. Driver nails it to get past as many of the 18 wheelers in convoy as possible and either doesn't quite make it and crashes into bollards, or swerves to the other side of the road and wipes out another car. Or 1 of the other 30 cars that has stacked up behind rep driver does this. This can happen both ways as most of the bypass is high speed single carriage way with no opportunity to overtake. I've seen this happen nearly every time I have been on the bypass, always a near accident as someone tries to overtake as frustration gets the better off them. Camera's will not solve this problem.
More road space will."
>> Edited by cuneus on Tuesday 5th October 11:25
Just thinking, Mrs Fish...I'd better stick to the reported facts.....here they are:
24 March 2002 The Observer Newspaper
It is 8.30am and Joanne Moore is on her way to work in the family BMW with its personalised number plate which reads 'JIM', her husband's name. Jim, a tank erector, is away working in Ireland. In the back of the car are Moore's twin four year-old sons, Keiran and Thomas, whom she is going to drop off at her mother's house nearby.
She pulls on to the Stocksbridge bypass at Deepcar, just as the road heads uphill. According to witnesses she appears to lose control of the BMW. The vehicle first 'fishtails', its back wheels fanning from side to side, and then it spins out of control, sending its rear end into the opposite carriageway where it is hit by a 38-tonne truck coming the other way.
Moore is seriously injured by the impact. The twins are flung from their car seats and on to the road, killing them instantly. Keiran and Thomas become the twenty-third and twenty-fourth people to die on the bypass.
Street
24 March 2002 The Observer Newspaper
It is 8.30am and Joanne Moore is on her way to work in the family BMW with its personalised number plate which reads 'JIM', her husband's name. Jim, a tank erector, is away working in Ireland. In the back of the car are Moore's twin four year-old sons, Keiran and Thomas, whom she is going to drop off at her mother's house nearby.
She pulls on to the Stocksbridge bypass at Deepcar, just as the road heads uphill. According to witnesses she appears to lose control of the BMW. The vehicle first 'fishtails', its back wheels fanning from side to side, and then it spins out of control, sending its rear end into the opposite carriageway where it is hit by a 38-tonne truck coming the other way.
Moore is seriously injured by the impact. The twins are flung from their car seats and on to the road, killing them instantly. Keiran and Thomas become the twenty-third and twenty-fourth people to die on the bypass.
Street
Streetcop said:
Just thinking, Mrs Fish...I'd better stick to the reported facts.....here they are:
24 March 2002 The Observer Newspaper
It is 8.30am and Joanne Moore is on her way to work in the family BMW with its personalised number plate which reads 'JIM', her husband's name. Jim, a tank erector, is away working in Ireland. In the back of the car are Moore's twin four year-old sons, Keiran and Thomas, whom she is going to drop off at her mother's house nearby.
She pulls on to the Stocksbridge bypass at Deepcar, just as the road heads uphill. According to witnesses she appears to lose control of the BMW. The vehicle first 'fishtails', its back wheels fanning from side to side, and then it spins out of control, sending its rear end into the opposite carriageway where it is hit by a 38-tonne truck coming the other way.
Moore is seriously injured by the impact. The twins are flung from their car seats and on to the road, killing them instantly. Keiran and Thomas become the twenty-third and twenty-fourth people to die on the bypass.
Street
That junction is a right angle, and the joining lane becomes the crawler lane as the road continues uphill. How did she get the rear end in the way of a truck coming the other way [mode="bogush"] or have I got the wrong end of the stick again? [/mode]
Streetcop said:
The road is perfectly safe if everyone stuck to the speed limits...
Sounds like a classic case of oversteer and not knowing what to do when it happens to me.
This is in no way about speed, it could easily be argued that driver training would have avoided this from the facts presented in the Observer article (which lets not forget is the Morning Star on Sunday).
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