School Crossing Patrols
Discussion
Can anyone tell me what the law says regarding School Crossing Patrols ? I think I'm right in saying that they can only stop the traffic to allow childern to cross the road and have no authority to stop the traffic in order for adults cross the road. I'm not sure what the position is if parents are with their offspring.
So, does anyone know the legal position on this ?
Thanks
Adrian
So, does anyone know the legal position on this ?
Thanks
Adrian
adrianmugridge said:
Can anyone tell me what the law says regarding School Crossing Patrols ? I think I'm right in saying that they can only stop the traffic to allow childern to cross the road and have no authority to stop the traffic in order for adults cross the road. I'm not sure what the position is if parents are with their offspring.
So, does anyone know the legal position on this ?
Thanks
Adrian
Tell you what. Why not run the adult over and claim the above as your defence!
Who cares about the legal position! Someone wanted to cross the road and the crossing person facilatated that! You'll be questioning whether pedestrian crossings are legal next.
wolf1 said:
Who cares about the legal position! Someone wanted to cross the road and the crossing person facilatated that! You'll be questioning whether pedestrian crossings are legal next.
If the law has been changed then I assume that it was once not legal to stop the traffic for an adult and therefore I am correct ( or rather, was ).
So, Wolf, what you are saying is that people should ignore the law if they don't agree with it ? You want to pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore ? Am I right in drawing that conclusion from your reply ?
The reason I asked the question in the first instance was that my Mother used to be a Lolly Pop Lady ( when you could call them that ! ) and she told me that she was not allowed to stop the traffic for adults, only children. Therefore, when I was stopped this morning so some parent could cross the road I assumed this was not legal. So, indeed, how was I ( or others ) supposed to know that the law has been changed ?
pdV6 said:
Actually, this raises a serious question:
When all these "little" laws get changed, how is the general public supposed to know? Ignorance of the law is no defence, so shouldn't things like this be widely advertised?
Exactly - we are not told what laws are introduced - und I suspect the police have difficulty keeping up with all this new legislation as well.
Publicity though? :scratchcchin: That costs them MONEY and the whole aim of the game is how to GET OUR MONEY to fund more of their money spins and scams and fund their gravy train
It is a veritable conspiracy.....
gone said:
Actually, this raises a serious question:
When all these "little" laws get changed, how is the general public supposed to know? Ignorance of the law is no defence, so shouldn't things like this be widely advertised?
Read an updated copy of the highway code
OOooooo!
Well wassh ouwt yur mouwth, ma' friend Gone y'ear! 
pdV6 said:
gone said:
Read an updated copy of the highway code
ok. Just wondering when I should know that its been updated?
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Look at a copy since the driving test you took and the day you die!
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Or should I read the whole thing every day?
May not be a bad idea
>> Edited by gone on Saturday 9th October 10:21
adrianmugridge said:
Who cares about the legal position! Someone wanted to cross the road and the crossing person facilatated that! You'll be questioning whether pedestrian crossings are legal next.
If the law has been changed then I assume that it was once not legal to stop the traffic for an adult and therefore I am correct ( or rather, was ).
So, Wolf, what you are saying is that people should ignore the law if they don't agree with it ? You want to pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore ? Am I right in drawing that conclusion from your reply ?
Who gives a crap whether you are right in your own little selfish world or not! I suggest you try knocking an adult down when crossing with the aid of a crossing patrol and see where it gets you! Did the little man with the yellow coat on hold you up for a couple of seconds you pretentious little twat?
gone said:
Actually, this raises a serious question:
When all these "little" laws get changed, how is the general public supposed to know? Ignorance of the law is no defence, so shouldn't things like this be widely advertised?
Read an updated copy of the highway code
Most people think it's still 49p..
Get yourselves a copy...read it and see what's changed..
Street
Streetcop said:
pdV6 said:
Actually, this raises a serious question:
When all these "little" laws get changed, how is the general public supposed to know? Ignorance of the law is no defence, so shouldn't things like this be widely advertised?
Read an updated copy of the highway code
Most people think it's still 49p..
Get yourselves a copy...read it and see what's changed..
Street
Could someone please tell me where the HC has changed to tell motorists (and pedestrians and cyclists and lollypop "persons") about the answer to the serious question raised? And before I get flamed and advised to RTFHC, an, admittedly cursory, scan through the dozen or so copies I have around the house and car, plus the online version, failed to reveal the answer. To me, at any rate.
wolf1 said:
wolf1 said:
Who cares about the legal position! Someone wanted to cross the road and the crossing person facilatated that! You'll be questioning whether pedestrian crossings are legal next.
If the law has been changed then I assume that it was once not legal to stop the traffic for an adult and therefore I am correct ( or rather, was ).
So, Wolf, what you are saying is that people should ignore the law if they don't agree with it ? You want to pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore ? Am I right in drawing that conclusion from your reply ?
Who gives a crap whether you are right in your own little selfish world or not! I suggest you try knocking an adult down when crossing with the aid of a crossing patrol and see where it gets you! Did the little man with the yellow coat on hold you up for a couple of seconds you pretentious little twat?
Wow thats helpful...
wolf1 said:
wolf1 said:
Who cares about the legal position! Someone wanted to cross the road and the crossing person facilatated that! You'll be questioning whether pedestrian crossings are legal next.
If the law has been changed then I assume that it was once not legal to stop the traffic for an adult and therefore I am correct ( or rather, was ).
So, Wolf, what you are saying is that people should ignore the law if they don't agree with it ? You want to pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore ? Am I right in drawing that conclusion from your reply ?
Who gives a crap whether you are right in your own little selfish world or not! I suggest you try knocking an adult down when crossing with the aid of a crossing patrol and see where it gets you! Did the little man with the yellow coat on hold you up for a couple of seconds you pretentious little twat?
I'be been lurking for a few weeks now and I've found this site fascinating. I'm amazes that so many, what's the preferred phrase, yogurt knitting lentilists? are allowed to vent their vitrol when someone posts a perfectly plain and on-topic post on what seems to be advertised as a "petrol head" site.
If I can recall correctly from my schooldays maths, it takes twice as long to stop at a crossing as to drive past so that a single car, or even two or three, will actually delay the pedestrian far more by stopping than by driving on. And from my schoolboy chemistry and biology the pedestrian will suffer much less pollution, both chemical and noise, from a car driving past than stopping. Therefore someone asking if it is legal to drive past in certain circumstances is actually being public spirited and helpful to the pedestrians, as well as environmentally greener.
However, the questioner never asked if it was legal to run someone down if they were an adult and crossing under the protection of a lollypop. He never even asked if he could ignore the lollypop lady if he could do it without causing an accident. He merely asked if the law had changed.
So could one of the old hands here do me a favour and explain the shower of sh!t heaped on him for trying to keep up to date with the law?
This reminds me of the Bigley thread. A number of people posted comments not on his death, not on the manner of his death, nor on its acceptability or otherwise, neither on their feelings about it. They commented on the public hysteria whipped up by the media circus (which has surely increased the likelihood of more kidnappings, tortures and killings). And the response? Hysterical outpourings of grief from people who hadn't even met him, and vicious attacks on anyone who had failed to wear their heart on their sleeve and join in the mass hysteria! To add insult to injury they called for censorship of anyone who dared to display an iota of common sense. Hopefully the thread was closed to prevent those who had taken leave of their senses displaying quite how far behind they had left them, rather than to silence those that had tried to comment on the serious subject having left their emotional baggage behind.
diesel ed said:
Streetcop said:
gone said:
pdV6 said:
Actually, this raises a serious question:
When all these "little" laws get changed, how is the general public supposed to know? Ignorance of the law is no defence, so shouldn't things like this be widely advertised?
Read an updated copy of the highway code
Most people think it's still 49p..
Get yourselves a copy...read it and see what's changed..
Street
Could someone please tell me where the HC has changed to tell motorists (and pedestrians and cyclists and lollypop "persons") about the answer to the serious question raised? And before I get flamed and advised to RTFHC, an, admittedly cursory, scan through the dozen or so copies I have around the house and car, plus the online version, failed to reveal the answer. To me, at any rate.
Ahh! What I love about the HC - its sheer vagueness.
Buy new copy every three years. Last personal copy purchased August 2003. Purchased new copy and my son received a copy with his provisional licence. It has only changed this last time in real terms - and the 2004 version somply reflects change in mobile phone legislation. apart from that - all other rules and advice remain unchanged.
The closest we get to answer to this question per HC and "Know Your Road Signs!" is:
Rule 27: "Crossings controlled by an authorised person"
Do not cross unless you are signalled to do so by a police officr, traffic warden, or school crossing patrol. Always cross in front of them.
And
rule 186 : "You MUST stop when a School Crossing patrol shows a "Stop" for children sign.
Neither rule says anything explicitly about adults being allowed to use these patrols, but nor does it appear to preclude adults from using the lollypop ladies and gents either....
It just says "You MUST stop" forthe sign - thus implying that it is immaterial who is crossing so long as you stop! Perhaps they should spell it out more!
Indeed rule 27 reads as though all of us can use the services of the lollypop lady. To, my wife and our kids anyway - and if my lollypop lady turned round and said to either of us "Sorry - but you find another place to cross cos I ain't allowed to be seen waving my lollies around near you!" - then think aforementioned lolly would be rammed in dark place where sun doth not shine!
I have asked our "experts" in lollipop people - the teachers who have them posted outside their respective schools - and they say the lollipop people are employed to wave their lollies in front of motorists who are obliged to stop even if they - lofty teachers - decide to cross the road - and that the council has included this in list of lollipop job specs as well - that they help everyone cross a road...
But agree - HC could do with actually spelling it out specifically by listing: man, woman, child, guide dog for blind , police sniffer dog, cat, wild cat , stray cat, moggie cat, lycra clad chimpanzee riding a bike ........
Or they could simply save type space by simply using the word "you"
>> Edited by Mad Moggie on Sunday 10th October 00:13
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