BIBs - what do you do to speeding foreigners?

[nel]

You've probably heard the tales about how draconian the french police are with foreign speeders - vehicle and licence confiscation, etc.

When I come to the UK in a car with foreign plates I normally make it a point of honour to set off as many Gatso's as I can, if necessary speeding up to do so. Am I running a risk by doing this? Ultimately the bloody federalists in Brussels will give pan-european shoot to kill licences for speeding, but the system isn't in place yet - long may they fail to cooperate!

On a similar note (seeings as I'm coming over for VMax in a couple of weeks) at what speed on a Mway would a foreign driver get more than a stern talking to?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

[Marki]

I am all

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If we wanted to we could arrest them under S25 of pace as their name and address for service of summons cannot be verified, or it would be impracticable to serve the summons on an address abroad and bring them before the next avaliable court.

I have herd a rumour that shortly (this in police terms can be anything up to 5 yrs) we will be able to carry out PNC checks on forign(sp) license plates.

Im not traffic but i would say that on motorways the same rules apply to every driver with regards to discression on speeds and a stern talking to.

[JMGS4]

Have been told by BiBs when stopped for "speeding" in the UK (120kph in a 70mph, like 6mph over, FFS) that they can arrest the driver and hold him until a magistrates court the next morning..... however as soon as I asked the said BiB for his warrant card and the name of his senior officer, he couldn't get rid of me fast enough........without any paperwork hassle or "offers"
Methinks though if you really take the P*ss then you MAY be binned overnight.......

[ws6]

And diplomats with their "D" plates ??
they get away with Murder (probably literlally)

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I would have thought that was more of a warning than anything serious. Bescause at the end of the day if your nicked then your nicked regardless of what you ask for as youll have every chance to ask for my supervisor in custody.

[Marki]

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I would have thought that was more of a warning than anything serious. Bescause at the end of the day if your nicked then your nicked regardless of what you ask for as youll have every chance to ask for my supervisor in custody.

OK fair enough , but what about "Safety Cameras" what happens if you get flashed by one of them .

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Well, not alot i wouldent have thought untill we have can PNC forign cars.
But when we can i guess we could serve S172 notices to the driver just as we can to uk drivers.
This could also mean ANPR vehicles and checks would indicate wether the s172 has been complied with and if not you could be stopped, but im not sure if this is possible as its just a guess. Depends how far the government want to push with regards to speeding forign drivers.

[nel]

Marki said:

^Slider^ said: I would have thought that was more of a warning than anything serious. Bescause at the end of the day if your nicked then your nicked regardless of what you ask for as youll have every chance to ask for my supervisor in custody. OK fair enough , but what about "Safety Cameras" what happens if you get flashed by one of them .

Have always taken a bloody minded attitude to "safety cameras" when in a car with foreign plates, deliberately triggering them. Despite being flashed MANY times (over 20 flashes on one trip to the UK, though obviously can't know if there was film in the cameras) I've never heard a word, though will admit to occasional pangs of trepidation approaching the Eurotunnel terminal, just in case they're waiting for me with a list of offences....

On UK Mways my approach has been, conditions permitting, to drive at around 100 mph, on the basis that more than this and they might see red and push for prosecution. Has worked up until now but then I've never been stopped when on foreign plates.

Recall being stopped in France many years ago and pretending not to speak a word of french, hoping that the gendarme would give up through frustration. He pulled out a police phrase book, pointed at the relevant english translation of my offence, and wrote down how much the fine was....screwed! Would the UK BIBs be similarly equipped if I can't speak a word of English...?

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if you dont speak english you can still be arrested and an interpreter brought to custody - on the phone in custody to obtain the necessary details.

[jenkinsd]

Must admit I tend to try and stick to 'normal' driving habits when in UK on foreign plate (don't take the p*ss).

Interesting the s172, in Italy can take up to 12 months for the notification to come to the driver, unless you can equalise the systems there will always be a case to be made for discrimination (did this once for a parking ticket - appeal was allowed).

[Streetcop]

Report on summons...every time

[monster1]

(In the Met area)

If a foreign vehicle sets off a speed camera (or congestion charge camera) then a record is made of it.
Any UK resident (includes any person who lives or has a permanent job in the UK) Must UK register a foreign registered vehicle immediately. Failure to do this can result in the confiscation of the vehicle and/or the arrest of the driver/owner.
When a foreign registered vehicle is stopped then a check is made for any camera offences. If any have been logged then the driver may find themselves arrested for evading a lawful debt, or even perverting the course of justice.

The vehicle then can be impounded and until a full UK insurance policy and registration with DVLA is produced the vehicle can be kept. After a set period the vehicle may be sold to pay for storage costs.

Be warned nel this will catch up with you.

[Antwerpman]

but this can only be for imported vehicles which have not been officially imported - which is a seperate issue in a way.

Certainly I would never have to produce UK insurance and registration as I am resident overseas and the car is registered there. Having said that I tend to drive pretty much the same as I would if I was driving a UK registered car, it is just that I dont have to worry if I miss a camera

[nel]

monster1 said:

(In the Met area) If a foreign vehicle sets off a speed camera (or congestion charge camera) then a record is made of it. Any UK resident (includes any person who lives or has a permanent job in the UK) Must UK register a foreign registered vehicle immediately. Failure to do this can result in the confiscation of the vehicle and/or the arrest of the driver/owner. When a foreign registered vehicle is stopped then a check is made for any camera offences. If any have been logged then the driver may find themselves arrested for evading a lawful debt, or even perverting the course of justice. The vehicle then can be impounded and until a full UK insurance policy and registration with DVLA is produced the vehicle can be kept. After a set period the vehicle may be sold to pay for storage costs. Be warned nel this will catch up with you.

Hmmm -interesting. Thank you for that nugget of information - it sounds like at the very least it would be wise to stop deliberately wasting "safety" camera film in the UK. Pity, it was rather satisfying !

[monster1]

If your in the UK for over 181 days then your classified as a Permanent UK resident.

If you 'pop' back to your own Country for a short brake etc then this is NOT taken into consideration within the 181 days.

Basically, if you have a UK address then your in play.

Its a relatively new thing in the Met (not the legislation) Most Traffic Officers are being trained as we speak so more and more 'evaders' will be targeted.

We have two large car pounds ready for the influx of vehicles, and also when the 'uninsured' vehicle legislation comes in.