riding a motorcycle with foreign plate in UK-help needed
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3pm
so today i was all happy of my life about to leave home when a police car passed on the main road.
i waited the cars to pass so i could join the main road in safety and they were stopped just a few yards away...
so i carried on as i wanted , rode the bike and as i passed by them they get on my tail, not a problem as i have the vehicle fully legal, so i carry on on my way, stopped next to a mail box, to drop some letters i needed to send, turn back and they were behind the bike, get on the bike as u do, wait to join the traffic and get on the move, once again being followed by the same patrol car...
carried on towards my destination and a few blocks later they stopped me by giving me blue lights and sounding the siren like if they were in pursuit of a criminal, to wich i immediately proceeded the stop the vehicle on the side of the road, after the double lines were finished(just in case)...
(between my address and the moment of being pulled over was about 2.5 miles distance)
as i pulled over, i started to take the gloves and the helmet out so the officer could see my face and who was speaking(as a gesture of education) and as he approaches me i turn and say "good afternoon officer"
the conversation followed as:
good afternoon officer
- do you speak English?
(in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do officer, did i do anything wrong?
(knowing that i didnt)
- im going to have to apprehend the vehicle
sorry but i dont understand why
- because it doesn't have a British number plate
before we go any further with this conversation i would like all your details and information why you want to apprehend my bike
- you better cooperate
im willing to cooperate with what ever you want but you will not take my bike anywhere, what is the problem officer?
- you do know that you are in UK dont you?
(again in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do, but why did you stop me?
(thinking to myself "no s
t man, i thought i was in Jamaica")
- why do you think we stopped you?
(we as the other officer was always inside of the vehicle and never came out)
probably due to the noise of the bike, but i can ashore you that this exhausts are road legal
(and they are)
- no, it has nothing to do with that
(yet again, in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
well sir in that case i have to ask you why you did stop me because im sure i wasnt speeding
- are you trying to be funny?
no, not at all, so why did you stop me?
- where are you going?
to the gym
- what do you have on that ruck sack?
my gym clothes and towel
and straight away take it out open it place it on top of the bike seat and say
if you want to check out you are more than welcome
- its not necessary
(at this point i started to be concerned as the guy looks to me and to the bike, looks to me again, looks to his colleague in the patrol car and looks to me again.
i had never seen before a traffic officer with a gun before, and this one had one.
the situation was on my point of view escalating way to quick and i still had no idea why i was pulled over)
he kept steering at me in a way that i can only describe as intimidating and tells me again
- i will have to apprehend your vehicle
at this point i started to think "maybe this are fake officers, do i have time to jump on the bike and just run for my life?
sorry officer but can you explain me why you need to apprehend my bike?
(it was notorious by this moment that i was quite nervous with the situation)
- its quite obvious isnt it?
and he starts walking around the bike ....
-what year is the bike?
1990
- can you turn the lights on?
so i turn them on
- can you turn the indicators on?
(quite obvious i couldnt as i dont have them)
i cant, i dont have them
- thats ok...
- this exhausts, im not sure about them....
(always giving me an evil look like if i had done something wrong)
- can u press the brake?
so i do as told, he sees the stop lights going bright and looks to me and says
- do you know it is against the law to use foreign plate vehicles in UK ?
to be honest thats new for me, but this one is fully legal in the country of origin and the insurance covers me to ride it in a lot of countries including UK....
- where is the TAX DISC?
it is tax exempt
(wich it really is)
- can i see the MOT papers?
(wich it really is)
- does this look like a joke to you?
NO
(and thinking, no mate it doesnt to me, but to you im sure it is....)
- i definitely have to take the vehicle from you now....
and why is that?
(at this time i was starting to be very F*#"ing pissed off)
- well for starters you dont have MOT or TAX do you?
like i explained, the vehicle is exempt on the countrie of origin, and you can call the Portuguese embassy give the details of the vehicle and they will confirm it to you....
- not necessary ...
at this moment im really lost with the all thing and i just wanted to go but it looked like it was going to take for ever...
it is MOT exempt
- are you a permanent resident in this contrie ?
yes i am
- well there you have your answer, if you live here you cant have a vehicle with a foreign plate!
well according to DVLA i can as long as it doesnt stay in UK more than 1 year, and this vehicle is most of the time bk home not here
and im also a permanent resident back home as i have residence on the both countries.
and teh law states that the vehicle for driving proposes when crosses the border is like the first time it is in UK when comes back.
and the EU law states free circulation of people and goods
- the bike isnt a good
no?
- no a good is something you own
well no disrespect but i own this bike, therefore is a good
-well if i ever see this bike again i will take it from you!
(to me this sounds like a threat)
- you can go now...
and there he goes to the patrol car...
so i get on the bike, go to the gym and as it was upsetting me the all thing, not after long i got out and went to the police station asking to talk with a traffic police officer, there was no 1 available so i said what happened and the answer was that, if the officer said its because its right, wich im not so sure on this...
so i come home all pissed off and the patrol car with the same officers is parked on the corner waiting for me, this was about 4.30pm, it is now 6.22pm and they are still there constantly looking at my door waiting me to get out on the bike, in my books this is stalking and intimidation....
i spoke with DVLA and explained the situation and i was told that i was right, and when i asked the person to send me by email or letter the confirmation of what he was saying then he said that he couldnt.....
im completely stupid with all this situation and i need help to get my hands in some legal papers that can be used to sort this out, as i dont intend to have my bike apprehended, and according to DVLA i am doing nothing wrong.
after all why should i have to register the bike in UK if most of the time is not in UK ?
why pay tax and do MOT if im exempt by law within the EUROPEAN UNION ?
why pay £86 to register?
and why pay afterwards an insurance that is 3 times more expensive than back home? and that will not cover the vehicle so may days on a row back home?
and before you ask, yes i do have a vehicle in UK that is with an UK numberplate, a tax, an insurance and MOT, 100% legal, the bike isnt here all the time.
does this mean that i have to take the bike back and im not allowed to ride my own bike a few days in uk just coz im most of the time living in UK ?
so today i was all happy of my life about to leave home when a police car passed on the main road.
i waited the cars to pass so i could join the main road in safety and they were stopped just a few yards away...
so i carried on as i wanted , rode the bike and as i passed by them they get on my tail, not a problem as i have the vehicle fully legal, so i carry on on my way, stopped next to a mail box, to drop some letters i needed to send, turn back and they were behind the bike, get on the bike as u do, wait to join the traffic and get on the move, once again being followed by the same patrol car...
carried on towards my destination and a few blocks later they stopped me by giving me blue lights and sounding the siren like if they were in pursuit of a criminal, to wich i immediately proceeded the stop the vehicle on the side of the road, after the double lines were finished(just in case)...
(between my address and the moment of being pulled over was about 2.5 miles distance)
as i pulled over, i started to take the gloves and the helmet out so the officer could see my face and who was speaking(as a gesture of education) and as he approaches me i turn and say "good afternoon officer"
the conversation followed as:
good afternoon officer
- do you speak English?
(in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do officer, did i do anything wrong?
(knowing that i didnt)
- im going to have to apprehend the vehicle
sorry but i dont understand why
- because it doesn't have a British number plate
before we go any further with this conversation i would like all your details and information why you want to apprehend my bike
- you better cooperate
im willing to cooperate with what ever you want but you will not take my bike anywhere, what is the problem officer?
- you do know that you are in UK dont you?
(again in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do, but why did you stop me?
(thinking to myself "no s
t man, i thought i was in Jamaica")- why do you think we stopped you?
(we as the other officer was always inside of the vehicle and never came out)
probably due to the noise of the bike, but i can ashore you that this exhausts are road legal
(and they are)
- no, it has nothing to do with that
(yet again, in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
well sir in that case i have to ask you why you did stop me because im sure i wasnt speeding
- are you trying to be funny?
no, not at all, so why did you stop me?
- where are you going?
to the gym
- what do you have on that ruck sack?
my gym clothes and towel
and straight away take it out open it place it on top of the bike seat and say
if you want to check out you are more than welcome
- its not necessary
(at this point i started to be concerned as the guy looks to me and to the bike, looks to me again, looks to his colleague in the patrol car and looks to me again.
i had never seen before a traffic officer with a gun before, and this one had one.
the situation was on my point of view escalating way to quick and i still had no idea why i was pulled over)
he kept steering at me in a way that i can only describe as intimidating and tells me again
- i will have to apprehend your vehicle
at this point i started to think "maybe this are fake officers, do i have time to jump on the bike and just run for my life?
sorry officer but can you explain me why you need to apprehend my bike?
(it was notorious by this moment that i was quite nervous with the situation)
- its quite obvious isnt it?
and he starts walking around the bike ....
-what year is the bike?
1990
- can you turn the lights on?
so i turn them on
- can you turn the indicators on?
(quite obvious i couldnt as i dont have them)
i cant, i dont have them
- thats ok...
- this exhausts, im not sure about them....
(always giving me an evil look like if i had done something wrong)
- can u press the brake?
so i do as told, he sees the stop lights going bright and looks to me and says
- do you know it is against the law to use foreign plate vehicles in UK ?
to be honest thats new for me, but this one is fully legal in the country of origin and the insurance covers me to ride it in a lot of countries including UK....
- where is the TAX DISC?
it is tax exempt
(wich it really is)
- can i see the MOT papers?
(wich it really is)
- does this look like a joke to you?
NO
(and thinking, no mate it doesnt to me, but to you im sure it is....)
- i definitely have to take the vehicle from you now....
and why is that?
(at this time i was starting to be very F*#"ing pissed off)
- well for starters you dont have MOT or TAX do you?
like i explained, the vehicle is exempt on the countrie of origin, and you can call the Portuguese embassy give the details of the vehicle and they will confirm it to you....
- not necessary ...
at this moment im really lost with the all thing and i just wanted to go but it looked like it was going to take for ever...
it is MOT exempt
- are you a permanent resident in this contrie ?
yes i am
- well there you have your answer, if you live here you cant have a vehicle with a foreign plate!
well according to DVLA i can as long as it doesnt stay in UK more than 1 year, and this vehicle is most of the time bk home not here
and im also a permanent resident back home as i have residence on the both countries.
and teh law states that the vehicle for driving proposes when crosses the border is like the first time it is in UK when comes back.
and the EU law states free circulation of people and goods
- the bike isnt a good
no?
- no a good is something you own
well no disrespect but i own this bike, therefore is a good
-well if i ever see this bike again i will take it from you!
(to me this sounds like a threat)
- you can go now...
and there he goes to the patrol car...
so i get on the bike, go to the gym and as it was upsetting me the all thing, not after long i got out and went to the police station asking to talk with a traffic police officer, there was no 1 available so i said what happened and the answer was that, if the officer said its because its right, wich im not so sure on this...
so i come home all pissed off and the patrol car with the same officers is parked on the corner waiting for me, this was about 4.30pm, it is now 6.22pm and they are still there constantly looking at my door waiting me to get out on the bike, in my books this is stalking and intimidation....
i spoke with DVLA and explained the situation and i was told that i was right, and when i asked the person to send me by email or letter the confirmation of what he was saying then he said that he couldnt.....
im completely stupid with all this situation and i need help to get my hands in some legal papers that can be used to sort this out, as i dont intend to have my bike apprehended, and according to DVLA i am doing nothing wrong.
after all why should i have to register the bike in UK if most of the time is not in UK ?
why pay tax and do MOT if im exempt by law within the EUROPEAN UNION ?
why pay £86 to register?
and why pay afterwards an insurance that is 3 times more expensive than back home? and that will not cover the vehicle so may days on a row back home?
and before you ask, yes i do have a vehicle in UK that is with an UK numberplate, a tax, an insurance and MOT, 100% legal, the bike isnt here all the time.
does this mean that i have to take the bike back and im not allowed to ride my own bike a few days in uk just coz im most of the time living in UK ?
Alex79Goncalves said:
3pm
so today i was all happy of my life about to leave home when a police car passed on the main road.
i waited the cars to pass so i could join the main road in safety and they were stopped just a few yards away...
so i carried on as i wanted , rode the bike and as i passed by them they get on my tail, not a problem as i have the vehicle fully legal, so i carry on on my way, stopped next to a mail box, to drop some letters i needed to send, turn back and they were behind the bike, get on the bike as u do, wait to join the traffic and get on the move, once again being followed by the same patrol car...
carried on towards my destination and a few blocks later they stopped me by giving me blue lights and sounding the siren like if they were in pursuit of a criminal, to wich i immediately proceeded the stop the vehicle on the side of the road, after the double lines were finished(just in case)...
(between my address and the moment of being pulled over was about 2.5 miles distance)
as i pulled over, i started to take the gloves and the helmet out so the officer could see my face and who was speaking(as a gesture of education) and as he approaches me i turn and say "good afternoon officer"
the conversation followed as:
good afternoon officer
- do you speak English?
(in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do officer, did i do anything wrong?
(knowing that i didnt)
- im going to have to apprehend the vehicle
sorry but i dont understand why
- because it doesn't have a British number plate
before we go any further with this conversation i would like all your details and information why you want to apprehend my bike
- you better cooperate
im willing to cooperate with what ever you want but you will not take my bike anywhere, what is the problem officer?
- you do know that you are in UK dont you?
(again in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do, but why did you stop me?
(thinking to myself "no st man, i thought i was in Jamaica")
- why do you think we stopped you?
(we as the other officer was always inside of the vehicle and never came out)
probably due to the noise of the bike, but i can ashore you that this exhausts are road legal
(and they are)
- no, it has nothing to do with that
(yet again, in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
well sir in that case i have to ask you why you did stop me because im sure i wasnt speeding
- are you trying to be funny?
no, not at all, so why did you stop me?
- where are you going?
to the gym
- what do you have on that ruck sack?
my gym clothes and towel
and straight away take it out open it place it on top of the bike seat and say
if you want to check out you are more than welcome
- its not necessary
(at this point i started to be concerned as the guy looks to me and to the bike, looks to me again, looks to his colleague in the patrol car and looks to me again.
i had never seen before a traffic officer with a gun before, and this one had one.
the situation was on my point of view escalating way to quick and i still had no idea why i was pulled over)
he kept steering at me in a way that i can only describe as intimidating and tells me again
- i will have to apprehend your vehicle
at this point i started to think "maybe this are fake officers, do i have time to jump on the bike and just run for my life?
sorry officer but can you explain me why you need to apprehend my bike?
(it was notorious by this moment that i was quite nervous with the situation)
- its quite obvious isnt it?
and he starts walking around the bike ....
-what year is the bike?
1990
- can you turn the lights on?
so i turn them on
- can you turn the indicators on?
(quite obvious i couldnt as i dont have them)
i cant, i dont have them
- thats ok...
- this exhausts, im not sure about them....
(always giving me an evil look like if i had done something wrong)
- can u press the brake?
so i do as told, he sees the stop lights going bright and looks to me and says
- do you know it is against the law to use foreign plate vehicles in UK ?
to be honest thats new for me, but this one is fully legal in the country of origin and the insurance covers me to ride it in a lot of countries including UK....
- where is the TAX DISC?
it is tax exempt
(wich it really is)
- can i see the MOT papers?
(wich it really is)
- does this look like a joke to you?
NO
(and thinking, no mate it doesnt to me, but to you im sure it is....)
- i definitely have to take the vehicle from you now....
and why is that?
(at this time i was starting to be very F*#"ing pissed off)
- well for starters you dont have MOT or TAX do you?
like i explained, the vehicle is exempt on the countrie of origin, and you can call the Portuguese embassy give the details of the vehicle and they will confirm it to you....
- not necessary ...
at this moment im really lost with the all thing and i just wanted to go but it looked like it was going to take for ever...
it is MOT exempt
- are you a permanent resident in this contrie ?
yes i am
- well there you have your answer, if you live here you cant have a vehicle with a foreign plate!
well according to DVLA i can as long as it doesnt stay in UK more than 1 year, and this vehicle is most of the time bk home not here
and im also a permanent resident back home as i have residence on the both countries.
and teh law states that the vehicle for driving proposes when crosses the border is like the first time it is in UK when comes back.
and the EU law states free circulation of people and goods
- the bike isnt a good
no?
- no a good is something you own
well no disrespect but i own this bike, therefore is a good
-well if i ever see this bike again i will take it from you!
(to me this sounds like a threat)
- you can go now...
and there he goes to the patrol car...
so i get on the bike, go to the gym and as it was upsetting me the all thing, not after long i got out and went to the police station asking to talk with a traffic police officer, there was no 1 available so i said what happened and the answer was that, if the officer said its because its right, wich im not so sure on this...
so i come home all pissed off and the patrol car with the same officers is parked on the corner waiting for me, this was about 4.30pm, it is now 6.22pm and they are still there constantly looking at my door waiting me to get out on the bike, in my books this is stalking and intimidation....
i spoke with DVLA and explained the situation and i was told that i was right, and when i asked the person to send me by email or letter the confirmation of what he was saying then he said that he couldnt.....
im completely stupid with all this situation and i need help to get my hands in some legal papers that can be used to sort this out, as i dont intend to have my bike apprehended, and according to DVLA i am doing nothing wrong.
after all why should i have to register the bike in UK if most of the time is not in UK ?
why pay tax and do MOT if im exempt by law within the EUROPEAN UNION ?
why pay £86 to register?
and why pay afterwards an insurance that is 3 times more expensive than back home? and that will not cover the vehicle so may days on a row back home?
and before you ask, yes i do have a vehicle in UK that is with an UK numberplate, a tax, an insurance and MOT, 100% legal, the bike isnt here all the time.
does this mean that i have to take the bike back and im not allowed to ride my own bike a few days in uk just coz im most of the time living in UK ?
First rule of PH...so today i was all happy of my life about to leave home when a police car passed on the main road.
i waited the cars to pass so i could join the main road in safety and they were stopped just a few yards away...
so i carried on as i wanted , rode the bike and as i passed by them they get on my tail, not a problem as i have the vehicle fully legal, so i carry on on my way, stopped next to a mail box, to drop some letters i needed to send, turn back and they were behind the bike, get on the bike as u do, wait to join the traffic and get on the move, once again being followed by the same patrol car...
carried on towards my destination and a few blocks later they stopped me by giving me blue lights and sounding the siren like if they were in pursuit of a criminal, to wich i immediately proceeded the stop the vehicle on the side of the road, after the double lines were finished(just in case)...
(between my address and the moment of being pulled over was about 2.5 miles distance)
as i pulled over, i started to take the gloves and the helmet out so the officer could see my face and who was speaking(as a gesture of education) and as he approaches me i turn and say "good afternoon officer"
the conversation followed as:
good afternoon officer
- do you speak English?
(in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do officer, did i do anything wrong?
(knowing that i didnt)
- im going to have to apprehend the vehicle
sorry but i dont understand why
- because it doesn't have a British number plate
before we go any further with this conversation i would like all your details and information why you want to apprehend my bike
- you better cooperate
im willing to cooperate with what ever you want but you will not take my bike anywhere, what is the problem officer?
- you do know that you are in UK dont you?
(again in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
yes i do, but why did you stop me?
(thinking to myself "no s
t man, i thought i was in Jamaica")- why do you think we stopped you?
(we as the other officer was always inside of the vehicle and never came out)
probably due to the noise of the bike, but i can ashore you that this exhausts are road legal
(and they are)
- no, it has nothing to do with that
(yet again, in an accentuation that can be called taking the piss)
well sir in that case i have to ask you why you did stop me because im sure i wasnt speeding
- are you trying to be funny?
no, not at all, so why did you stop me?
- where are you going?
to the gym
- what do you have on that ruck sack?
my gym clothes and towel
and straight away take it out open it place it on top of the bike seat and say
if you want to check out you are more than welcome
- its not necessary
(at this point i started to be concerned as the guy looks to me and to the bike, looks to me again, looks to his colleague in the patrol car and looks to me again.
i had never seen before a traffic officer with a gun before, and this one had one.
the situation was on my point of view escalating way to quick and i still had no idea why i was pulled over)
he kept steering at me in a way that i can only describe as intimidating and tells me again
- i will have to apprehend your vehicle
at this point i started to think "maybe this are fake officers, do i have time to jump on the bike and just run for my life?
sorry officer but can you explain me why you need to apprehend my bike?
(it was notorious by this moment that i was quite nervous with the situation)
- its quite obvious isnt it?
and he starts walking around the bike ....
-what year is the bike?
1990
- can you turn the lights on?
so i turn them on
- can you turn the indicators on?
(quite obvious i couldnt as i dont have them)
i cant, i dont have them
- thats ok...
- this exhausts, im not sure about them....
(always giving me an evil look like if i had done something wrong)
- can u press the brake?
so i do as told, he sees the stop lights going bright and looks to me and says
- do you know it is against the law to use foreign plate vehicles in UK ?
to be honest thats new for me, but this one is fully legal in the country of origin and the insurance covers me to ride it in a lot of countries including UK....
- where is the TAX DISC?
it is tax exempt
(wich it really is)
- can i see the MOT papers?
(wich it really is)
- does this look like a joke to you?
NO
(and thinking, no mate it doesnt to me, but to you im sure it is....)
- i definitely have to take the vehicle from you now....
and why is that?
(at this time i was starting to be very F*#"ing pissed off)
- well for starters you dont have MOT or TAX do you?
like i explained, the vehicle is exempt on the countrie of origin, and you can call the Portuguese embassy give the details of the vehicle and they will confirm it to you....
- not necessary ...
at this moment im really lost with the all thing and i just wanted to go but it looked like it was going to take for ever...
it is MOT exempt
- are you a permanent resident in this contrie ?
yes i am
- well there you have your answer, if you live here you cant have a vehicle with a foreign plate!
well according to DVLA i can as long as it doesnt stay in UK more than 1 year, and this vehicle is most of the time bk home not here
and im also a permanent resident back home as i have residence on the both countries.
and teh law states that the vehicle for driving proposes when crosses the border is like the first time it is in UK when comes back.
and the EU law states free circulation of people and goods
- the bike isnt a good
no?
- no a good is something you own
well no disrespect but i own this bike, therefore is a good
-well if i ever see this bike again i will take it from you!
(to me this sounds like a threat)
- you can go now...
and there he goes to the patrol car...
so i get on the bike, go to the gym and as it was upsetting me the all thing, not after long i got out and went to the police station asking to talk with a traffic police officer, there was no 1 available so i said what happened and the answer was that, if the officer said its because its right, wich im not so sure on this...
so i come home all pissed off and the patrol car with the same officers is parked on the corner waiting for me, this was about 4.30pm, it is now 6.22pm and they are still there constantly looking at my door waiting me to get out on the bike, in my books this is stalking and intimidation....
i spoke with DVLA and explained the situation and i was told that i was right, and when i asked the person to send me by email or letter the confirmation of what he was saying then he said that he couldnt.....
im completely stupid with all this situation and i need help to get my hands in some legal papers that can be used to sort this out, as i dont intend to have my bike apprehended, and according to DVLA i am doing nothing wrong.
after all why should i have to register the bike in UK if most of the time is not in UK ?
why pay tax and do MOT if im exempt by law within the EUROPEAN UNION ?
why pay £86 to register?
and why pay afterwards an insurance that is 3 times more expensive than back home? and that will not cover the vehicle so may days on a row back home?
and before you ask, yes i do have a vehicle in UK that is with an UK numberplate, a tax, an insurance and MOT, 100% legal, the bike isnt here all the time.
does this mean that i have to take the bike back and im not allowed to ride my own bike a few days in uk just coz im most of the time living in UK ?
If you're all genuinely legal and above board, ( not saying you're not), then it is clearly worthy of a complaint to the force or local cop shop. The refusal to tell you why they stopped you is not one really, as for your allegations of threats, I think they would take it seriously.
But make sure you are sure of all your facts etc.
And remember that the cops back home in Portugal are not all perfect are they....?
But make sure you are sure of all your facts etc.
And remember that the cops back home in Portugal are not all perfect are they....?
vonhosen said:
what if he resides in both countries?European community means free circulation of goods and services.
would you pay to register your car in Portugal if you went there for work for 2 years?
to give you a idea to register a bmw 320d from 2001 you would pay nearly 4k. then if you came back to England you would pay again to re register it. imagine if you had to go to Portugal again. 4k more....
Tango13 said:
IF what you have posted is true I'd report the officer, he is either too stupid to be a police officer or wilfully ignoring the laws regarding foreign vehicles in an attempt to get a 'result'
no threats done apart from if he sees the bike again he will apprehend the bikealthough the way he was talking and behaving it was intimidating for me.
Migx said:
vonhosen said:
what if he resides in both countries?European community means free circulation of goods and services.
would you pay to register your car in Portugal if you went there for work for 2 years?
to give you a idea to register a bmw 320d from 2001 you would pay nearly 4k. then if you came back to England you would pay again to re register it. imagine if you had to go to Portugal again. 4k more....
There's plenty of info available about what your obligations are.
Tax obligations are tax obligations whatever they stem from & regardless of the cost.
vonhosen said:
It's up to you to show where you reside, where you pay tax, when the vehicle has entered/left the country etc.
There's plenty of info available about what your obligations are.
Tax obligations are tax obligations whatever they stem from & regardless of the cost.
including if a vehicle is tax free? There's plenty of info available about what your obligations are.
Tax obligations are tax obligations whatever they stem from & regardless of the cost.
he pays tax in both countries.
Migx said:
vonhosen said:
It's up to you to show where you reside, where you pay tax, when the vehicle has entered/left the country etc.
There's plenty of info available about what your obligations are.
Tax obligations are tax obligations whatever they stem from & regardless of the cost.
including if a vehicle is tax free? There's plenty of info available about what your obligations are.
Tax obligations are tax obligations whatever they stem from & regardless of the cost.
he pays tax in both countries.
From what he has written in his post he clearly doesn't understand the regs, whether he is actually liable or not I don't know because I'd have to investigate his individual circumstances.
If he were liable the monetary cost to him Re licensing etc is immaterial in relation to what he should do legally.
This does seem to be a very British concern, I've spent long periods of time in a couple of EU Countries, France and Germany, although not recently, and nobody gave a stuff that my car/bike was on UK plates.
If I had excuse to have a car/bike here on non UK plates, I'd do it, they could shove all their scameras where the sun doesn't shine !
If I had excuse to have a car/bike here on non UK plates, I'd do it, they could shove all their scameras where the sun doesn't shine !
https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk/... says..............
""You can usually use a vehicle displaying non-UK number plates, and not have to tax or register it in the UK, if:
1. you’re visiting the UK and don’t plan to live here
2. you only use the vehicle up to 6 months in a 12-month period (1 single visit, or several shorter visits adding up to a 6-
month period)
3. the vehicle is registered and taxed in its home country"
Then a bit further down the page it says..........
"Students and workers
You may be able to use a vehicle with non-UK number plates for longer than a 6-month period, without taxing or registering it, if all the following apply:
you’re a student or worker
you normally live outside the UK
you’re in the UK for a set study or work period
the vehicle is registered in its home country
You must contact HMRC before or upon arrival in the UK to apply for customs relief.
If you meet the conditions above, HMRC will give you a customs relief form which you can present to the police if you’re stopped when driving your vehicle.
If your vehicle is eligible for customs relief and you stay in the UK after it expires (normally at the end of the study or work period), you must register and tax your vehicle in the UK"
OP, from what I'm reading you should have been able to produce the customs relief form to the police officer which would have settled everything there and then. Incidentally, does the Portuguese Insurance allow you to drive out of Portugal indefinitely?.......most UK insurance will only allow you to drive abroad for a limited period, usually 90 days.
""You can usually use a vehicle displaying non-UK number plates, and not have to tax or register it in the UK, if:
1. you’re visiting the UK and don’t plan to live here
2. you only use the vehicle up to 6 months in a 12-month period (1 single visit, or several shorter visits adding up to a 6-
month period)
3. the vehicle is registered and taxed in its home country"
Then a bit further down the page it says..........
"Students and workers
You may be able to use a vehicle with non-UK number plates for longer than a 6-month period, without taxing or registering it, if all the following apply:
you’re a student or worker
you normally live outside the UK
you’re in the UK for a set study or work period
the vehicle is registered in its home country
You must contact HMRC before or upon arrival in the UK to apply for customs relief.
If you meet the conditions above, HMRC will give you a customs relief form which you can present to the police if you’re stopped when driving your vehicle.
If your vehicle is eligible for customs relief and you stay in the UK after it expires (normally at the end of the study or work period), you must register and tax your vehicle in the UK"
OP, from what I'm reading you should have been able to produce the customs relief form to the police officer which would have settled everything there and then. Incidentally, does the Portuguese Insurance allow you to drive out of Portugal indefinitely?.......most UK insurance will only allow you to drive abroad for a limited period, usually 90 days.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Maybe as a broad rule, but life is never as simple as that - there will always be cases that fall between the cracks.
I am a UK citizen with a UK passport, a NI card, a UK drivers licence and a UK address where I am registered with bank accounts etc. I do not pay tax in the UK, as I am paid outside of the UK.
I live (95% of the time) in NL, I work here, am paid here to a local account and pay tax here.
I drive/have driven a variety of cars on a variety of plates, but currently only have Dutch registered cars. I nearly always get sarky/arsey comments when coming through customs checks in the UK from busybodies who think they know the law. It does my swede in. I am perfectly entitled to drive a Dutch registered car in the UK, for 365 days a year if I want to, as long its legal in the country of origin, which of course it is.
Try telling that to most customs folks in the UK, never mind a BiB who thinks that they know the rules.
You're absolutely right. There are exceptions. The issue is certainly not as clear as one would like but is common across the EU.I am a UK citizen with a UK passport, a NI card, a UK drivers licence and a UK address where I am registered with bank accounts etc. I do not pay tax in the UK, as I am paid outside of the UK.
I live (95% of the time) in NL, I work here, am paid here to a local account and pay tax here.
I drive/have driven a variety of cars on a variety of plates, but currently only have Dutch registered cars. I nearly always get sarky/arsey comments when coming through customs checks in the UK from busybodies who think they know the law. It does my swede in. I am perfectly entitled to drive a Dutch registered car in the UK, for 365 days a year if I want to, as long its legal in the country of origin, which of course it is.
Try telling that to most customs folks in the UK, never mind a BiB who thinks that they know the rules.
There's no doubt a difference in behaviour amongst police forces. I drive to Portugal every year and never had an issue there. But then rozzers back home are used to see us driving our foreign cars. In general motoring laws and their application are far more draconian here. The UK is also not Schengen so border checks are in place which makes it more likely to be searched and/or inquired about the origin of the vehicle.
I think the OP case is different from yours though. By his own admission he's a permanent resident of the UK in which case he most likely needs to register the bike here, or sneak it out of the country and problem solved.
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