Untaxed car - do I inform anyone?
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Has anyone here ever "grassed up" an untaxed car? Someone
in my block of flats is driving a battered VW Golf with expired tax and I'm wondering if I should tell anyone? One part of my thinks "mind your own business", but another thinks "hang on, if the car isn't taxed, chances are it isn't insured, and I don't really want the guy pranging my (or anyone else's) car as he drives out of the car park".
Should I leave it alone or do my concerned citizen bit?
in my block of flats is driving a battered VW Golf with expired tax and I'm wondering if I should tell anyone? One part of my thinks "mind your own business", but another thinks "hang on, if the car isn't taxed, chances are it isn't insured, and I don't really want the guy pranging my (or anyone else's) car as he drives out of the car park".
Should I leave it alone or do my concerned citizen bit?
hornet said:
Has anyone here ever "grassed up" an untaxed car? Someone
in my block of flats is driving a battered VW Golf with expired tax and I'm wondering if I should tell anyone? One part of my thinks "mind your own business", but another thinks "hang on, if the car isn't taxed, chances are it isn't insured, and I don't really want the guy pranging my (or anyone else's) car as he drives out of the car park".
Should I leave it alone or do my concerned citizen bit?
I am truly and utterly sick to death of this nonsense put out by the DVLA to disguise yet another scam to get money from the motorist.
How can you possibly relate the fact that a car has no insurance because it doesn't display a tax disc, in fact I'm willing to bet it's the opposite adn I can prove it.
You go onto E-Bay and follow a typical cheap second hand car, anything from £500-£1000, that's for sale in nice condition but with no road tax.
Chances are it will go for next to nothing, or won't reach it's reserve.
You stick six months road tax on it and it's gone instantly; exactly the same vehicle in exactly the same condition.
But when you buy it with road tax, hey presto! you're immune to NPR cameras, you can drive about with no insurance.
The DVLA have, lets just say, certain "experts" who calculate how many FPs they can issue by introducing another piece of legislation to bring in yet more revenue from fines because they KNOW that they will be able to trap a certain amount of people each time the legislation is changed.
They then dress it up respectably in the guise of safety with dramatic TV and bill board advertising to con YOU into believing that they are acting in the best interests of the motorist.
To add insult to injury, the Government then take the billions of pounds from this revenue and spend only a tiny percentage of this on the roads.
You think about that before you shop anyone!
Errrm im assuming you mean ANPR cameras, just cos it has tax doesnt mean its insured and you will be immune from these cameras..
ANPR compares the registration with AV markers, DVLA details, Tax details and Insurance databases.
There is always the possibility that if it is untaxed then it may not have an mot and may not have insurance. As you require an MOT and insurance certificate to obtain Tax.
He maybe fully legit, that you will not know.
Why should everyone else pay Road Tax when there are people who are more than happy to drive around not paying? And if we have to pay why should this person be alowed to drive around not paying it?
ANPR compares the registration with AV markers, DVLA details, Tax details and Insurance databases.
There is always the possibility that if it is untaxed then it may not have an mot and may not have insurance. As you require an MOT and insurance certificate to obtain Tax.
He maybe fully legit, that you will not know.
Why should everyone else pay Road Tax when there are people who are more than happy to drive around not paying? And if we have to pay why should this person be alowed to drive around not paying it?
Spare me the rant, please. Did I say anything about ANPR or safety? As far as I'm aware, the need for insurance isn't some recent scam dreamt up to fleece us. I'm not swallowing anything from the DVLA - I just thought it was common policy to have a car taxed and insured before it's allowed to be driven on public roads? This car is a battered heap with tax that's three months out of date. If the owner can't be arsed to pay £165 to tax it, do you think he's going to pay for insurance? I'm buggered if I'm going to have some uninsured heap prang my car and leave me high and dry, thanks ever so much.
hornet said:
Spare me the rant, please. Did I say anything about ANPR or safety? As far as I'm aware, the need for insurance isn't some recent scam dreamt up to fleece us. I'm not swallowing anything from the DVLA - I just thought it was common policy to have a car taxed and insured before it's allowed to be driven on public roads? This car is a battered heap with tax that's three months out of date. If the owner can't be arsed to pay £165 to tax it, do you think he's going to pay for insurance? I'm buggered if I'm going to have some uninsured heap prang my car and leave me high and dry, thanks ever so much.
I take it when you shop this guy you will do it to his face and explain the reason for doing so.
And if you do, how will it make you feel if he produces valid insurance and MOT documents?
By the way, I don't rant, I base everything I say on researched fact and experience, not wild unsubstantiated assumption.
IOLAIRE said:
I take it when you shop this guy you will do it to his face and explain the reason for doing so.
And if you do, how will it make you feel if he produces valid insurance and MOT documents?
By the way, I don't rant, I base everything I say on researched fact and experience, not wild unsubstantiated assumption.
So thinking "hang on, that battered untaxed car might not be insured" is wild assumption now is it?
All I'm doing is thinking "hmmm, 3 months out of date tax, car is a mess, wonder if he's insured?". I don't want either myself or other people who DO pay road tax to suffer at the hands of someone who DOESN'T. Simple.
Anyway, would insurance (assuming he has some) be valid if he's driving around with a 3 month out of date tax disc?
What would you say if the police pulled him on the strength of no tax? Would that be wild assumption on their behalf or a valid reason to have a word?
Hmm I guess asking the person is a better idea. I had a car towed away for not display a tax disc which all turned out to be legit but caused me loads of grief being 200 miles from home and left me with a bill of about 150 to get the car back from the impound.
All because I had parked it outside someones house in "their" space. Was not happy.
All because I had parked it outside someones house in "their" space. Was not happy.
We had a muppett at work who didn't hve his car taxed for nearly a year. He was the most terriblble driver, dents and scratches all over his car.
One of his colleagues pulled him about the tax, his reply was,' I can;t get it taxed 'cos it failed it's MOT!!!!!!!!!!!!'
They reported him toBIB several times, telling them where he lived and his work address. Nothing happened.
One of his colleagues pulled him about the tax, his reply was,' I can;t get it taxed 'cos it failed it's MOT!!!!!!!!!!!!'
They reported him toBIB several times, telling them where he lived and his work address. Nothing happened.
In all honest I would save "shopping" someone only for DD or something more serious.
Put a note on the windscreen of the car stating that it has been seen untaxed and it would be appriciated if it would be taxed. Dont sign it or let them know who its from.
Then if its not done by the end of the month - consider shopping him.
Put a note on the windscreen of the car stating that it has been seen untaxed and it would be appriciated if it would be taxed. Dont sign it or let them know who its from.
Then if its not done by the end of the month - consider shopping him.
Definitely shop him, one of my neighbour was driving a battered wreck around, I thought none of my business until 1 week after I bought my Griff, he reversed into it causing 4k of damage, the guy was uninsured and never paid a penny, I lost my no claims bonus and my car for 2 months while it was being repaired.
hornet said:Ideally yes, but our premiums have been going through the roof every year, even though the accident/fatality rate has stabilised (until this year). Also (I believe) it's about to be greater still because hospital care costs are about to be added to the premiums, which would mean that our NI contributions would be reduced right? WRONG!
.....the need for insurance isn't some recent scam dreamt up to fleece us......
IOLAIRE does have a point though; it is certainly possible for a driver's car to be taxed, yet have no MOT or insurance (for almost a whole year) without any risk of being caught.
IMO the car tax system is utterly flawed and is nothing more than another revenue earner. Don't forget, it IS called a TAX.
I'll probably be the first to admit it, yes I have grassed someone, and I'll be honest it was the ex-wife!!. I rang the local police station who put me through to the Area traffic division officer who took relevant details down, and by all accounts I believe the officers laid in wait for the vehicle to be actually on the road, and hey presto job done. She got fined on relevant counts and also for two bald tyres (added brucie bonus). I openly admitted to her it was I that grassed, surprisingly enough this worked a treat in her not communicating with me anymore.
Probably the main reason I grassed was as it was the ex possibly someone I never knew might be different, and I'm a bit more chilled out now.
Probably the main reason I grassed was as it was the ex possibly someone I never knew might be different, and I'm a bit more chilled out now.
I wouldnt. I reported someone who ran into my car and drove off (whilst it was parked) - net result, a hort/1 for me, loads of grief for it not being moted despite it being on private land and they didnt find the person who hit it.
Fortunately I did and got myself more than enough money in compensation.
Fortunately I did and got myself more than enough money in compensation.
tacoboy said:
Put a note on that "battered VW Golf", ask the owner
to please get his tax up to date, give the owner a chance to do the right thing.
That's how you do it!! Give the man a chance to explain himself.
I cannot believe the way our society is going with this vindictive, indiscriminate blame culture.
It gets worse by the day.
As if it isn't bad enough that we have to contend with the enforcement agencies and all the other associated sniping at us, you would want to do it to each other.
You should read about and acquaint yourself with the rise of fascism in Germany before the war; it was the most insidious, virulent intrusion on a society who made no allowance for it's control, did not protect itself from the power of it.
If you think that couldn't happen here, that's exactly what they said there!
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