1 in 10 Dorset residents is a criminal
1 in 10 Dorset residents is a criminal
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cptsideways

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13,831 posts

275 months

Thursday 28th October 2004
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From the local news today, enough speeding tickets were dished out by the £amera £artnerships this last year for 1 in 10 !!! Dorset residents to become members of the criminal underworld all in the name of safety eh?


DRIVERS in Dorset have paid almost £4 million in fines after receiving nearly 66,000 tickets in one year for speeding and jumping red lights.

New figures show 65,984 offences were picked up by safety cameras in the first full year of their operation.

That's the equivalent of more than 10 per cent of Dorset's population getting tickets.

Dorset £afety £amera £artnership is claiming a big success in reducing deaths and serious injuries on the county's roads.

It is claiming:

a 45.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries near cameras which have been set up for a year; and

a 25.7 per cent cut in deaths and serious injuries where cameras have been working for two years.

Pat Garrett, head of £ixed penalties for the Dorset £afety £amera £artnership, said: "We have achieved a great deal in our second year of operation. We have seen a reduction in the number of casualties at safety camera sites throughout Dorset."

The £artnership - which brings together councils, the NHS, the Highways Agency, magistrates and the Crown Prosecution Service - runs 131 fixed, mobile and red-light cameras.

In the past year, it has introduced 11 new fixed cameras, four new red-light cameras and the new ProLaser III camera which can monitor speeds longer-range.

Mr Garrett pointed to a survey of 1,000 people which said 78 per cent supported the use of cameras to reduce casualties - even though 260 of those surveyed had received fines.

He said the £artnership was working towards a government target of a 40 per cent cut in deaths and serious injuries by 2010, and a 50 per cent cut in the number of children hurt or seriously injured.

He added: "Our strategy for 2003-04 was a six per cent overall casualty reduction and we've achieved that target.

"But we readily accept that while we have had two £uccessful years, with everything like this you do get peaks and troughs. We can't get complacent."

First published: October 28

groucho

12,134 posts

269 months

Thursday 28th October 2004
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That's me then.

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

257 months

Thursday 28th October 2004
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Perhaps if the survey had been "Do you think speed cameras achieve their stated goal?" the result may have been different.

DennisTheMenace

15,605 posts

291 months

Thursday 28th October 2004
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Im a crim as well and so is my cat diffuser for the focus then

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th October 2004
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I'll get me coat, and a P&O Ferry ticket. Sorry, you businessmen but I'll spend my money where I'm not perscecuted.

autismuk

1,529 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th October 2004
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cptsideways said:

It is claiming:

a 45.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries near cameras which have been set up for a year; and

a 25.7 per cent cut in deaths and serious injuries where cameras have been working for two years.

Mr Garrett pointed to a survey of 1,000 people which said 78 per cent supported the use of cameras to reduce casualties - even though 260 of those surveyed had received fines.



And you'd think the variation in the figures would tell you something.

RTTM anyone ?

If the Cameras have a real permanent effect then the drop should be consistent. If the Cameras are a statistical anomaly effect one would expect *precisely* this !
True, 78% support the use of cameras to reduce casualties. Perfectly true.

Typical Scamera crap though. It's a con trick ; a loaded question.

I wonder if some of the permitted answers were "Cameras do not reduce casualties" or "There are better ways of reducing casualties. We want more trafpol". Bet not.



safespeed

2,983 posts

297 months

Friday 29th October 2004
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autismuk said:


cptsideways said:

It is claiming:

a 45.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries near cameras which have been set up for a year; and

a 25.7 per cent cut in deaths and serious injuries where cameras have been working for two years.

Mr Garrett pointed to a survey of 1,000 people which said 78 per cent supported the use of cameras to reduce casualties - even though 260 of those surveyed had received fines.





And you'd think the variation in the figures would tell you something.

RTTM anyone ?



Exactly. Those figures are precisely what we would expect for RTTM ALONE with no effect whatsoever from the camera.

Read about RTTM here:
www.safespeed.org.uk/rttm.html
www.safespeed.org.uk/pr126.html
www.safespeed.org.uk/pr127.html

>> Edited by safespeed on Friday 29th October 03:51

cptsideways

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Friday 29th October 2004
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I've sent a letter to the Dorset Echo quoting the bunch of flowers effect.