Well, there goes my clean license!!
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I often read this forum with out contributing, i think some of the topics on here are better left alone, and on some threads i would think, "your own fault for breaking the law" or i should refrase that in to getting caught 
Any way imagine my shock at getting a NiP through the post for speeding
What is even more annoying is the cirumstance, I was leaving Fareham town centre on the A27(Dual carriage way 40mph limit) on a Sunday afternoon heading towards the motorway, i had just changed into 4th gear coming from the round about when my Road Angel started to "flash" this stretch often has "safety camaras" 
normally aimed at the drivers who have come from the motorway into the 40mph zone, anyway quick check of speed and gets to 40mph, then i spot the van in it`s usual place, after a couple of braking manouvers because other drivers are looking at there speedo`s instead the road
we are now (what i feel and the RA senses) away from the "danger zone" approximatly 100 yds in front is the NSL just before the motorway, i have naively started accelerating slightly up to the NSL, the result NiP 48mph in the 40
I always said if i ever got caught speeding it would be my own fault, and just take the punishment after all i`ve own "performance" cars for over 20years but this has left a very bitter taste in my mouth, yet more evidence of the money making scameras, this from a council who actually REMOVED a perfectly legitimately placed camera from outside a SCHOOL 
And you want to now why most (normally
) law abiding citizens have such contempt to these " mobile cash machines" Well there goes my clean license!!
>>> Edited by T88CAN on Thursday 4th November 20:33
Any way imagine my shock at getting a NiP through the post for speeding
What is even more annoying is the cirumstance, I was leaving Fareham town centre on the A27(Dual carriage way 40mph limit) on a Sunday afternoon heading towards the motorway, i had just changed into 4th gear coming from the round about when my Road Angel started to "flash" this stretch often has "safety camaras" normally aimed at the drivers who have come from the motorway into the 40mph zone, anyway quick check of speed and gets to 40mph, then i spot the van in it`s usual place, after a couple of braking manouvers because other drivers are looking at there speedo`s instead the road we are now (what i feel and the RA senses) away from the "danger zone" approximatly 100 yds in front is the NSL just before the motorway, i have naively started accelerating slightly up to the NSL, the result NiP 48mph in the 40
I always said if i ever got caught speeding it would be my own fault, and just take the punishment after all i`ve own "performance" cars for over 20years but this has left a very bitter taste in my mouth, yet more evidence of the money making scameras, this from a council who actually REMOVED a perfectly legitimately placed camera from outside a SCHOOL And you want to now why most (normally
) law abiding citizens have such contempt to these " mobile cash machines" Well there goes my clean license!! >>> Edited by T88CAN on Thursday 4th November 20:33
If you feel lucky, take it to court if you can and tell them that, years and years ago, your driving instructor told you (as mine did) that when you see a speed limit sign you should start adjusting to that speed such that you reach the new speed limit as you reach the sign.
I think my old driving instructor was referring to lower-than-the-previous speed limit signs, but she didn't specify. It'll sound believeable and sensible and your awareness of the van and lack of prior offences ought to help.
Fingers crossed.
I think my old driving instructor was referring to lower-than-the-previous speed limit signs, but she didn't specify. It'll sound believeable and sensible and your awareness of the van and lack of prior offences ought to help.
Fingers crossed.
charltm said:
...years and years ago, your driving instructor told you (as mine did) that when you see a speed limit sign you should start adjusting to that speed such that you reach the new speed limit as you reach the sign.
Exactly what my instructor said, too. Accelerate up to the impending higher limit. And decelerate down, of course.
Surely that's what these "buffer zones" are for round villages, as well? But then the vans sit in those zones and do people for breaking the letter of the law rather than the spirit. But since when has that been relevant?
It was great to read that Dibble got that point, but very sad that he's not going to stick around to exercise his knowledge and experience in the pursuit of real danger instead of letter-of-the-law-breaking.
It's the zeitgeist. Punish even the thought, not just the action, while allowing murders to get time off for good behaviour. Anyone remember when a life sentence was actually in place of hanging? Now it's shorter than you get for 150mph on a motorway.
charltm said:
If you feel lucky, take it to court if you can and tell them that, years and years ago, your driving instructor told you (as mine did) that when you see a speed limit sign you should start adjusting to that speed such that you reach the new speed limit as you reach the sign.
I think my old driving instructor was referring to lower-than-the-previous speed limit signs, but she didn't specify. It'll sound believeable and sensible and your awareness of the van and lack of prior offences ought to help.
Fingers crossed.
I would agree that she was referring to the "lower than the previous" speed limit signs and not vicky versa.
I'm not sure the "speeding up to the new limit" defence would work. As I understand it, the limit starts/ends/changes AT the sign. It's a bit like people saying "but I thought I had 14 days to get my tax..." Strictly speaking, no, otherwise the expiry date on the VEL would the 14th of whenever.
That's not meant to sound flippant, just trying to illustrate the "speed boundary" point.
That's not meant to sound flippant, just trying to illustrate the "speed boundary" point.
Streetcop said:
Are you sure it was you driving and not your foreign friend?
Rarely works nowadays and the threat of 'perverting the course of justice' is hardly worth risking for points and a fine...
EXcept of course, if your foreign friend was *really* driving.. and you can't prove it. In which case, prepare for penetration to the depth of £60. Don't forget, Nu-Labour - Guilty until proven innocent, unless you are a minority grouping.
blimey where was the van then Tony, drive this bit of road every day and 'know' where they sit 
, pretty much as you thought before. thought you had a noisy box for this kind of thing . I've always thought the NSL should start about 400 yards before it does there too, perhaps we should get a campaign started to get it moved. Agree with the off slip bit and everyone braking where its normal parking spot is, possibily OK but still to early IMHO.
See you tomorrow perhaps we should avoid that stretch
. Harry
Just a quick update
I received the photo evidence, after writing to HANTS CONSTABULARY, The photo has come back with a nice colour shot of the back of the car and the NSL sign is actually NEARER to me than i first thought, in fact the car is nearly EQUAL to the sign Any way i decided to ring them and try and get some sought of explaination, to cut a long story short the helpful girl adviced me to write in offering my side of the story, what i would like to know is, Am i wasting my time or has it been know that cases like this have been overturned, has any one out there got first hand experience of a case or was i being "fobbed off"
Tony
I received the photo evidence, after writing to HANTS CONSTABULARY, The photo has come back with a nice colour shot of the back of the car
and the NSL sign is actually NEARER to me than i first thought, in fact the car is nearly EQUAL to the sign Any way i decided to ring them and try and get some sought of explaination, to cut a long story short the helpful girl adviced me to write in offering my side of the story, what i would like to know is, Am i wasting my time or has it been know that cases like this have been overturned, has any one out there got first hand experience of a case or was i being "fobbed off" Tony
Uh, this country makes me wanna curl up and die.
What on earth are they doing looking TOWARDS a higher speed limit zone. Surely that is not acting "safely", they'd be better actually looking at people coming FROM the motorway going fast into an area zoned slower because of a roundabout! That would be doing something to promote "safety".
What they have done here is ignore the primary hazard of off-motorway speeding, and focused on speeding to the letter, not the spirit like someone said.
This surely shows that they have no idea, purely looking towards revenue, and whoever they can catch, rahter than promoting people to be aware they have left the fast motorway and are approaching a 40 limit and a roundabout!
Uh
I would say this is NOT your fault. You are simply a victim of oppressive and pedantic speeding "laws"...
Dave
What on earth are they doing looking TOWARDS a higher speed limit zone. Surely that is not acting "safely", they'd be better actually looking at people coming FROM the motorway going fast into an area zoned slower because of a roundabout! That would be doing something to promote "safety".
What they have done here is ignore the primary hazard of off-motorway speeding, and focused on speeding to the letter, not the spirit like someone said.
This surely shows that they have no idea, purely looking towards revenue, and whoever they can catch, rahter than promoting people to be aware they have left the fast motorway and are approaching a 40 limit and a roundabout!
Uh
I would say this is NOT your fault. You are simply a victim of oppressive and pedantic speeding "laws"...
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Uh, this country makes me wanna curl up and die.
What on earth are they doing looking TOWARDS a higher speed limit zone. Surely that is not acting "safely", they'd be better actually looking at people coming FROM the motorway going fast into an area zoned slower because of a roundabout! That would be doing something to promote "safety".
What they have done here is ignore the primary hazard of off-motorway speeding, and focused on speeding to the letter, not the spirit like someone said.
This surely shows that they have no idea, purely looking towards revenue, and whoever they can catch, rahter than promoting people to be aware they have left the fast motorway and are approaching a 40 limit and a roundabout!
Uh
I would say this is NOT your fault. You are simply a victim of oppressive and pedantic speeding "laws"...
Dave
Makes you sick doesn't it!
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