North Yorks Bike Fatality

[Streetcop]

North Yorkshire is the scene of another motorcycle fatality;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/3994899.stm

Although...the recent figures are promising...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/3947517.stm

Street

>>> Edited by Streetcop on Tuesday 9th November 10:50

[james_j]

A quote from the BBC report:

"...A summer-long speed campaign has seen extra controls and speed checks across the county. So far, 324 people have been discovered exceeding the speed limits by 30mph or more.

Supt Deacon said: "We have taken a tough line against speeders and those who ride or drive dangerously in other ways.

"The bottom line is that because of us there are people alive today who would otherwise be dead..."

How can he say that, based on what? Comparing one year from another? He seems to be making the classic mistake (accidently on purpose).

[IOLAIRE]

james_j said:

A quote from the BBC report: "...A summer-long speed campaign has seen extra controls and speed checks across the county. So far, 324 people have been discovered exceeding the speed limits by 30mph or more. Supt Deacon said: "We have taken a tough line against speeders and those who ride or drive dangerously in other ways. "The bottom line is that because of us there are people alive today who would otherwise be dead..." How can he say that, based on what? Comparing one year from another? He seems to be making the classic mistake (accidently on purpose).

What an outrageously stupid, arrogant remark for a senior officer to make.
He has no evidence to back it up.
What he does have are 324 people who he caught speeding who are still alive and well.
There are of course thousands of others he didn't catch who are also still alive and well.

[Mon Ami Mate]

Streetcop said:

North Yorkshire is the scene of another motorcycle fatality; <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/3994899.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/3994899.stm</a> Although...the recent figures are promising... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/3947517.stm Street >>> Edited by Streetcop on Tuesday 9th November 10:50

Interesting that this involved other vehicles rather than being the standard Yorkshire single bike/dry stone wall interface. In my experience biek accidents involving other vehicles are far more likely to be the fault of the other vehicle. Do you know if this is the case? That being so, the way that this reported is prejudicial in my opinion.

[markmullen]

Driving in North Yorkshire and a lot on the A64 between York and Scarborough (a favourite run for bikers) I see a fair few bikers and in recent years the standards of riding have decreased.

Don't get me wrong, I have mates who ride and ride fast and well and I also see a lot of bikers who really know what they are doing. I will always move over and let a biker filter through.

I do however see more and more bikers pushing their luck. Recent examples include:

A couple of young lads seemingly racing on 125s past the Little Chef at Flaxton, heavy weekend traffic and lots of old giffers about, in jeans and T shirts

A Goldwing passing slow moving traffic by driving down the wrong side and expecting oncoming traffic to move out of his way

It seems to me that just as general driving skills have worsened in the past few years so have some bikers skills, unfortunately for them the results of a crash are so much worse.

[ca092003]

markmullen said:

Driving in North Yorkshire and a lot on the A64 between York and Scarborough (a favourite run for bikers) I see a fair few bikers and in recent years the standards of riding have decreased. Don't get me wrong, I have mates who ride and ride fast and well and I also see a lot of bikers who really know what they are doing. I will always move over and let a biker filter through. I do however see more and more bikers pushing their luck. Recent examples include: A couple of young lads seemingly racing on 125s past the Little Chef at Flaxton, heavy weekend traffic and lots of old giffers about, in jeans and T shirts A Goldwing passing slow moving traffic by driving down the wrong side and expecting oncoming traffic to move out of his way It seems to me that just as general driving skills have worsened in the past few years so have some bikers skills, unfortunately for them the results of a crash are so much worse.

What we need are more TrafPol to deal with these types. Cameras won't catch them!

[mandat]

markmullen said:

A Goldwing passing slow moving traffic by driving down the wrong side and expecting oncoming traffic to move out of his way

I the lanes are wide enough and there is space for the oncoming cars to safely move over a bit what is wrong with that?

[wolves_wanderer]

mandat said:

markmullen said: A Goldwing passing slow moving traffic by driving down the wrong side and expecting oncoming traffic to move out of his way I the lanes are wide enough and there is space for the oncoming cars to safely move over a bit what is wrong with that?

Apart from the fact they shouldn't have to, eventually some numpty won't notice them and hey presto another fatality.

[gemini]

Agreed

Ride to your own standards
not other's!

[markmullen]

mandat said:

markmullen said: A Goldwing passing slow moving traffic by driving down the wrong side and expecting oncoming traffic to move out of his way I the lanes are wide enough and there is space for the oncoming cars to safely move over a bit what is wrong with that?

Would you trust put your life in the hands of a flat hat wearing, pipe smoking jesus fish adorned rover driver?

If everyone drove well then there would be no problem at all, good observation, see the bike coming a way off, know how wide your vehicle is, move in to the left, job done. In the real world the majority of drivers IMO don't have all of these skills.