Stick bonnet plates
Discussion
One for the Bib.....
After this incident;
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=&t=127162
I'm back with a full sized front plate. Which is about to split again.....
....as long as the size is correct, and it meets the reflective requirements, is there anything stating I can't have a sticky front plate on the bonnet, rather than one smack in the airflow over the rads?
Cheers ears.
After this incident;
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=10&h=&t=127162
I'm back with a full sized front plate. Which is about to split again.....
....as long as the size is correct, and it meets the reflective requirements, is there anything stating I can't have a sticky front plate on the bonnet, rather than one smack in the airflow over the rads?
Cheers ears.
Covered on another thread recently (which I can't seem to find atm) - the DVLA's rules don't specifically ban them but they "are unaware of any stick-on plates that conform to the regulations" (or somesuch).
Gone commented that he wouldn't nick someone for them, so long as they were "standard" in all other respects.
www.dvla.gov.uk/faq/faq_number_plates.htm#26
www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm
Gone commented that he wouldn't nick someone for them, so long as they were "standard" in all other respects.
DVLA said:
Are stick-on number plates legal?
No, number plates must meet the British Standard requirements and we are not aware of any self-adhesive number plates that are able to meet these requirements.
www.dvla.gov.uk/faq/faq_number_plates.htm#26
www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm
pdV6 said:
Covered on another thread recently (which I can't seem to find atm) - the DVLA's rules don't specifically ban them but they "are unaware of any stick-on plates that conform to the regulations" (or somesuch).
Gone commented that he wouldn't nick someone for them, so long as they were "standard" in all other respects.
That's what I was looking for. However, most people (including traffic cops) seem to be unaware that imports can have smaller plates in the first place as well if they can't support a full size UK one.
I'll probably talk to my local nick about it.
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Mr E said:
That's what I was looking for. However, most people (including traffic cops) seem to be unaware that imports can have smaller plates in the first place as well if they can't support a full size UK one.
I'll probably talk to my local nick about it.
..and print out this link & keep it in the glovebox:
www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/regmarks/reg_marks_current_requirements.htm#import
I think that basicly, if you drive normaly, ie your not ripping up the tarmac at every given opportunity, if your plates are clearly visable and are the correct font and size, you wont attract the attention af the law.
No offence intended, but if you play with the fire, be prepared to get your fingers burnt mate.
I think the trick is not to attract thier attention in the first place...
Not sure if thats of any help to you though
Jon
No offence intended, but if you play with the fire, be prepared to get your fingers burnt mate.
I think the trick is not to attract thier attention in the first place...
Not sure if thats of any help to you though
Jon
It's odd how law enforcement don't even know the laws they are enforcing. Surely if they are not sure they should assume "innocent until proven guilty", that good old saying that gives the people freedom from opression!
My god, shooting people with table legs, making up evidence as a group that people drive off dangerously and then forcibly remove them from their car, now making up laws about numberplates.
Lol.
Dave
My god, shooting people with table legs, making up evidence as a group that people drive off dangerously and then forcibly remove them from their car, now making up laws about numberplates.
Lol.
Dave
I spent a lot of time earlier this year checking out what is legal and what is not as I wanted a smaller front plate on my Griff to increase airflow.
Here is the reply I finally got from the dvla in August-
"It is the Agency's interpretation of the Road Vehicle (Display of Registration Marks)Regulations 2001 as amended, that stick-on plates would fail to meet the necessary requirements of the British Standard BSAU145d. However, this is our interpretation and enforcement of the regulations is for the police and other enforcement agencies. Ultimately, matters of
law are for the courts to decide.
Therefore, if you wish to display a stick-on plate, you must satisfy yourself that you are acting legally, i.e. that the plates comply with the British Standard. I am afraid that I am unable to provide you with a copy of
the British Standard due to copywright laws. However, you can purchase a copy from the British Standards Institution, Customer Services, Sales Department, 389 Chiswick High Road, London, W4 4AL.
You ask about the dimensions and layout of number plates. I can confirm that there are no set measurements for the plate itself. Sizes can vary, but
must comply with the current character and spacing sizes as set out in the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. Information
concerning the character and spacing size can be found on our website www.dvla.gov.uk - please refer to the vehicles section "Number Plates and Registration Marks"."
Plod HQ were only interested if they could nick me for an illegal plate and would not give any help, advice or guidance.
Ultimately, I got a new plate made up with standard letters, numbers and spacing, setting it up working away from the righthand margin, as the BS number must be on the plate and its always on the bottom right corner. I then removed the EU emblem and unused plate material on the righthand side, leaving a legal margin again. This plate has given almost an additional 6" of airflow.
Hope this helps!
Here is the reply I finally got from the dvla in August-
"It is the Agency's interpretation of the Road Vehicle (Display of Registration Marks)Regulations 2001 as amended, that stick-on plates would fail to meet the necessary requirements of the British Standard BSAU145d. However, this is our interpretation and enforcement of the regulations is for the police and other enforcement agencies. Ultimately, matters of
law are for the courts to decide.
Therefore, if you wish to display a stick-on plate, you must satisfy yourself that you are acting legally, i.e. that the plates comply with the British Standard. I am afraid that I am unable to provide you with a copy of
the British Standard due to copywright laws. However, you can purchase a copy from the British Standards Institution, Customer Services, Sales Department, 389 Chiswick High Road, London, W4 4AL.
You ask about the dimensions and layout of number plates. I can confirm that there are no set measurements for the plate itself. Sizes can vary, but
must comply with the current character and spacing sizes as set out in the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001. Information
concerning the character and spacing size can be found on our website www.dvla.gov.uk - please refer to the vehicles section "Number Plates and Registration Marks"."
Plod HQ were only interested if they could nick me for an illegal plate and would not give any help, advice or guidance.
Ultimately, I got a new plate made up with standard letters, numbers and spacing, setting it up working away from the righthand margin, as the BS number must be on the plate and its always on the bottom right corner. I then removed the EU emblem and unused plate material on the righthand side, leaving a legal margin again. This plate has given almost an additional 6" of airflow.
Hope this helps!
Mr E said:
However, most people (including traffic cops) seem to be unaware that imports can have smaller plates in the first place as well if they can't support a full size UK one.
Got stopped in my RX7 by trafpol for having my front plate mounted on my passenger side sunvisor
He was cool though and gave me a VDRS for it rather than doing me, he commented that my rear plate was technically too small but that since it was the best I could do with a Jap plate sized mounting he wouldn't do anything about that.
Turned out to be a good bloke, interested in the motor, had a sit in, looked under the bonnet, revved it up a bit.
I used to have this problem years ago with E-Type Jags.
There was simply nowhere to put a normal number plate because the whole front surface of the car was rounded.
There was the odd occasion when the Trafpol would pull you up, but as long as the plate was clearly defined and could be read from the required distance, they were usaually OK about it.
Mind you, you didn't have the bloody DVLA to contend with!!
There was simply nowhere to put a normal number plate because the whole front surface of the car was rounded.
There was the odd occasion when the Trafpol would pull you up, but as long as the plate was clearly defined and could be read from the required distance, they were usaually OK about it.
Mind you, you didn't have the bloody DVLA to contend with!!
DVLA said:
Display of Vehicle Registration Marks on Imported Vehicles which have a restricted space for a standard sized number plate) Certain imported vehicles may be permitted to display number plates with smaller characters if:
The vehicle does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval
AND
The vehicle's construction/design cannot accommodate standard size number plates
Specifications for smaller sized plates (for certain imported vehicles)
I was involved in campaigning for this change, specifically for American imports, who usually have smaller places for plates at the back, and often no place for a front plate at all. I have stick-on plate on one (on the front air-dam) and none on the front of the other at all
Anyone any idea of the penalty for not displaying a numberplate ??
markmullen said:
ws6 said:
Anyone any idea of the penalty for not displaying a numberplate ??
Non Endorsable Fixed Penalty Notice if I remember rightly, £30 and no points rising to £45 if you take a while to cough up.
Then halving the risk (only one numberplate) of a forward laser gun zapping me, then 30 quid is well worth it. As is not having to deface the front of my car !! Vettes and Vipers have the same problem...
>> Edited by ws6 on Friday 12th November 00:33
Mr E said:
Thanks Griff.
I find it amusing that we seem to have to *buy* the regulations....
Ah, the regulations are free but the British Standards have to be purchased.
Most central and university libraries will have them and you and copy the whole thing if the library has a photocopier hidden from the Nazi librarians.
Gareth
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