ITV now, drivers with no insurance killing people.
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Coz the state doesnt make money out of them.
Not wishing to inflame but I HONESTLY believe that if there was an easy way of getting £60 fine out of uninsured drivers every time they were seen, they would do it.
As it is, where is the profit?
Face it ladies and gentlemen, we are in a cash country. Reading the recent threads of people being fined for towing their vehicles off the motorway even though the rescue has been called, and fineing people for shoplifting
this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Be afraid....
Not wishing to inflame but I HONESTLY believe that if there was an easy way of getting £60 fine out of uninsured drivers every time they were seen, they would do it.
As it is, where is the profit?
Face it ladies and gentlemen, we are in a cash country. Reading the recent threads of people being fined for towing their vehicles off the motorway even though the rescue has been called, and fineing people for shoplifting
this is only the tip of the iceberg. Be afraid....
Missed the programme - but BBC "Real Story" covered this a bit back.... uninsured - untaxed and usually unlicenced in their throwaways.
Problem is increasing because insurance premiums cost more than the throwaway and the fine added together - apparently....
Also .... not many policemen on patrol ...either
Not quite a complete figment of gutter press or sensationalist "grab the ratings" programmes such as "Real Story" and "Tonight with Trevor" imaginings either .... cos - er - do not see many policemen on patrol anywhere at anytime ... even in Cumbria where they claim "numbers have not dropped!"
Do see more of them when driving on the continent - Swiss, German, Italian, French, Belgian .... very visible on the roads .....
On the other hand ... see lots of scamera activity
They may give the powers fo confiscate and crush these cars ... which is what we want.
Only ... got to catch them first ....and then we actually have to ensure the courts actually dish out a punishment which hurts.....
Hmmm!
methinks there is more chance of seeing a pig go into orbit around a moon made of cream cheese.
Same with drink drive stats - local rags here are full of 50% reduction of number of breath tests carried out in Lancs... :scratcchin: - we know from Dibs that trafpol numbers are down there....
Today's press was full of 3100 KSIs from drink driving with RAC commenting that trafpols have been reduced by 11% and forests of speed cams have appeared.
Too much of coincidence that drivers are chancing driving with either no legal documents or with excess booze in bodies since the scams appeared on the scene....
But then ... too many conflicting statistics as well and we cannot prove one set against the other without seeing the raw data.
But statiscally
.... we cannot have so many conflicting statistics ..... 
(erm - had a wee dram of single malt myself ....)
Problem is increasing because insurance premiums cost more than the throwaway and the fine added together - apparently....
Also .... not many policemen on patrol ...either
Not quite a complete figment of gutter press or sensationalist "grab the ratings" programmes such as "Real Story" and "Tonight with Trevor" imaginings either .... cos - er - do not see many policemen on patrol anywhere at anytime ... even in Cumbria where they claim "numbers have not dropped!"
Do see more of them when driving on the continent - Swiss, German, Italian, French, Belgian .... very visible on the roads .....
On the other hand ... see lots of scamera activity
They may give the powers fo confiscate and crush these cars ... which is what we want.
Only ... got to catch them first ....and then we actually have to ensure the courts actually dish out a punishment which hurts.....
Hmmm!
methinks there is more chance of seeing a pig go into orbit around a moon made of cream cheese. Same with drink drive stats - local rags here are full of 50% reduction of number of breath tests carried out in Lancs... :scratcchin: - we know from Dibs that trafpol numbers are down there....
Today's press was full of 3100 KSIs from drink driving with RAC commenting that trafpols have been reduced by 11% and forests of speed cams have appeared.
Too much of coincidence that drivers are chancing driving with either no legal documents or with excess booze in bodies since the scams appeared on the scene....
But then ... too many conflicting statistics as well and we cannot prove one set against the other without seeing the raw data.
But statiscally
.... we cannot have so many conflicting statistics ..... (erm - had a wee dram of single malt myself ....
)Insurance should never be compulsory, it should only ever be advisable. If people had to pay directly for their own mistakes they would soon sharpen and hone their driving skills, making the roads safer.
As for people being killed on the roads
The old adage again;
Roads are for vehicles – Pavements are for pedestrians.
Car on the pavement = prosecution. Therefore the opposite applies Pedestrian in the road = prosecution.
As for kids, the police, schools and parents should be teaching the kids that you cannot take on up to and over 2tonnes of moving metal and expect to come out on top. Stupid people.
This afternoon, just outside a customers office, a child, about 6 years old, just ran out in front of me, I was waiting to cross the road but she just started to run. Luckily I managed to grab the hood of her coat and pull her back as a transit passed in front of us. The bloody stupid mother, I think she was, started shouting at ME telling me she would have me arrested for assault. Just let her or a Bib try it. It will be the last shred of sanity gone after giving up smoking for 3 weeks now.
A driver should never be berated, prosecuted or attacked for something that was someone else’s fault.
As for people being killed on the roads
The old adage again;
Roads are for vehicles – Pavements are for pedestrians.
Car on the pavement = prosecution. Therefore the opposite applies Pedestrian in the road = prosecution.
As for kids, the police, schools and parents should be teaching the kids that you cannot take on up to and over 2tonnes of moving metal and expect to come out on top. Stupid people.
This afternoon, just outside a customers office, a child, about 6 years old, just ran out in front of me, I was waiting to cross the road but she just started to run. Luckily I managed to grab the hood of her coat and pull her back as a transit passed in front of us. The bloody stupid mother, I think she was, started shouting at ME telling me she would have me arrested for assault. Just let her or a Bib try it. It will be the last shred of sanity gone after giving up smoking for 3 weeks now.
A driver should never be berated, prosecuted or attacked for something that was someone else’s fault.
drv112 said:
The bloody stupid mother, I think she was, started shouting at ME telling me she would have me arrested for assault. Just let her or a Bib try it.
Not on your nelly, damn good handshake and BIG bollocking for Mother is in order.
Common sense policing....The best way, and believe it or not, we are still 'allowed' to use our common sense......
wonder how long before we are told to fill a 'common sense 1' form in.
silverback mike said:
How frustrating do you think it is for us ghost, having to see these wnakers getting away with it.
Problem is, the attitude of the current Policing system would suggest that any extra powers given to the Police would be aimed at the easy payers - i.e. us !
I'm aware this is not your fault.
This kind of thing happens throughout the country at the moment, and it's money/target driven.
Other examples :-
The Inland Revenue's investigations always (so my accountant tells me) target soft targets - small businesses, private people, because they are easy hits. There was an interesting article in the paper last weekend about this. People like Murdoch (an extreme example) who never pay any tax anywhere are ignored. Because it's hard work.
The CSA also have a history of going after easy payers, not the feckless who abandon their kids and disappear, but those who keep in touch, and screw every last penny out of them. Soft targets. Easy work.
Policing the roads ; they go after easy people who can pay (speeders), not I suspect the people you want "got after" - drunks, uninsured, dangerous vehicles. Why ? Because we are easy to find, are unlikely to make a fuss, and have the money.
Local planning - if I put up a garage without telling anyone I'd be hammered ; if you are a "traveller" you can apparently do more or less what you want.
A true story. I put up a fence along the back of a garden a few years back. Within a *day* I had the council warning me not about Planning permission, but the possibility that the gap between the back and the end of the property could be used for dumping, and demanding I had a fence up to block the access.
The policing of Child Pornography. The Police do not go after abusers or manufacturers but spend years looking for thumbnails then claim they have saved children - they haven't. Why ? Because you get lots of easy hits against soft targets - even though it affects things not one jot.
This isn't a go at the Police particularly, and is not the fault of the BiB anyway.
What happens is targets are set for (in your case) crimes.
It doesn't matter what the actual results are, as long as the figures look good, because your bosses can tout them as "success" and the politicians can too. Virtually *every* PR release is full of sh*te about how the crime rate is down 3,000% and so on and so on, it's all b*ll*cks.
The most recent idiocy is the "superbug". The Govt wants all hospitals to halve their rates.
Of course, if you are a crap hospital, this is easy, all you have do is to get to the standards of everyone else. If you are great, it is almost impossible to halve it because you are close to nil anyway.
Incidentally, this isn't sour grapes, never been the victim of any of these, not even a Scamera.
The system rewards the cr*p people, because they become hard to hit targets, and effectively immune.
The soft targets, the (largely) law abiding majority then are hammered to make up for the fact that the organisations can't get the hard targets.
drv112 said:
The bloody stupid mother, I think she was, started shouting at ME telling me she would have me arrested for assault. Just let her or a Bib try it.
Had a similar incident in Bracknell (
) once. Apart from I was driving.
I was driving down a road past a school, it was school end time and because of this I was travelling very slowly (probably about 10-15 mph) past the school (even though the limit was 30
) Suddenly a kid ran out from between 2 parked cars. No warning no nothing at I BARELY managed to stop about 2 inches from her.
Seconds later a woman came walking over hysterically screaming at me for "speeding" past their school and nearly killing her child.... she was shouting about calling the police and that (and I quote) -
stupid woman said:
PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE A MENACE AND SHOULD BE LOCKED UP
Hmmm. So people that drive according to the conditions barely missing your clearly retarded offspring are a meance to society.
Yes they / we are
Because we didnt manage to cull the stupid by running them over... 
Dont worry about it mate - these morons are everywhere and their precious ones can do no wrong - especially after they are killed in a road accident.
>> Edited by gh0st-preop on Saturday 13th November 08:42
gh0st-preop said:
Coz the state doesnt make money out of them.
Not wishing to inflame but I HONESTLY believe that if there was an easy way of getting £60 fine out of uninsured drivers every time they were seen, they would do it.
As it is, where is the profit?
Face it ladies and gentlemen, we are in a cash country. Reading the recent threads of people being fined for towing their vehicles off the motorway even though the rescue has been called, and fineing people for shoplifting
So, what you are saying is shoplifting is OK right.......
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king abyismal! And I want this cash state to be stopped at all cost! (ironic?) silverback mike said:
How frustrating do you think it is for us ghost, having to see these wnakers getting away with it.
Silverback, I'm sure that it's time to bring back the birch and thrash these irresponsible bastards to within an inch of their lives............
but these lily-livered yellowstriped backed, lentilists called government haven't the stomach for it, apart from which they can't make any money out of it....
I feel a lynch-mob coming on
Why don't they just do it as simply as it's done in Germany, I'll explain
Number plate is only made through an approved and controlled outlet and gets government/local authority stamp.
Number plate is ONLY for that registration NOT for the life of the car
You take all your paoperwork, MOT ins etc to the registering authority who then issue the OK for the plate which you get made
You them have to take it back to the registering authority who put the stamps (one-off plastic which tear if you try to remove) for tax, ins, mot and pollution checks as well as the local asuthority stamp
THEN you can drive, and BiBs can check immediately as they have it all in a central computer.
If the Ins runs out the Ins Co is obliged to inform the local authority Immediately who then send round a local bobby to remove the stamps (which are readily visible) and maybe even the numberplate..
All is clearly visible for everybody, especially BiB and tampering with the numberplate in any way is falsifying a legal government document and carries up to 2 years jail!!!!
RESULT, VERY FEW (perhaps only a couple a county, from friends in local BiB) unisured/untaxed/unMOTed in germany!!!!
silverback mike said:
My blood is boiling, for gods sake, why do they let them get away with it.
I noted that Trevor MacDonald opened by saying that the chappie who allegedly committed suicide by train, causing many deaths, "was an uninsured driver".
Quite what the lack of insurance had to do the crash escapes me.
gh0st-preop said:
Face it ladies and gentlemen, we are in a cash country.
To be perfectly honest, I don't care much if the untaxed, uninsured, unlicensed, drunk, drugged, careless, or dangerous drivers are targetted with punitive, draconian zero tolerance measures (as long as such measures are legal).
The only law I break is to exceed the speed limit now and again but only in total safety.
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