Wind damage from scaffolding....who's liable?
Wind damage from scaffolding....who's liable?
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AlonzoHarris

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121 posts

153 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Hi

I live in a small block of apartments managed by an estate management company. This company recently instructed some builders to repair some damage to the roof from the previous bad weather, and so scaffolding was put up about a month ago.

As you can probably guess, I woke up this morning to find a large plank of wood from the scaffolding has landed plum on my bonnet, causing a fair bit of damage.

My car was parked in the resident's car park which is surrounded by our communal garden, but the odd thing is that none of the flower pots, tables & chairs were affected by the wind!

Do you think the estate management company is liable for the damage to my car?

Or will I simply have to grin and bear it, and claim through my insurance, or just foot the bill myself?

Thanks.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

188 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Scaffolding company will have insurance. Pursue through them.

AlonzoHarris

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121 posts

153 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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But even if I claim, and recover through the scaffolding company, my premium is likely to go up next year I take it?

Magic919

14,505 posts

230 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Was the scaffolding company negligent in some way?

AlonzoHarris

Original Poster:

121 posts

153 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Well that is difficult to say due to the high winds we are experiencing. However, all of the garden stuff, tables & chair, pots etc did not budge in the wind!!

Monty Python

4,813 posts

226 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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It is the responsibility of the scaffolding company to ensure all parts are secure. If not then they are responsible for any damage caused by it.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

196 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Magic919 said:
Was the scaffolding company negligent in some way?
The high winds have been forecast. I'd have thought they might leave it on the lorry until the wind dies down a bit.

CO2000

3,177 posts

238 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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The planks should be tied together with twine and clipped into toe board brackets if one of them came off (it will be thinner)

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

227 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Thank god you or anyone else wasn't walking below as said plank fell

Ledaig

1,806 posts

291 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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If the scaffolding has been out up to repair previous damage, then it could be argued that they would (from forecasts) have know more bad weather was to follow and should have ensured it was safely erected to withstand expected conditions.
If you intend to pursue the scaffolding company then I would suggest that you go and have a look for the 'scaf tag' and see if it's inspections are up to date, if not then take a picture of it as this will help your case.

CO2000

3,177 posts

238 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Thank god you or anyone else wasn't walking below as said plank fell
Last year I watched a safety training video that re-enacted this happening and hit a passerby killing them!

StottyZr

6,860 posts

192 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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I can't help but I share your pain (ish)

I left my house to find a neighbours bin wrapped around my back bumper two nights ago. Its left a nice deep scratch mad on an otherwise mint car.

Vulgar LS2

1,785 posts

212 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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CO2000 said:
Welshbeef said:
Thank god you or anyone else wasn't walking below as said plank fell
Last year I watched a safety training video that re-enacted this happening and hit a passerby killing them!
I had to watch that video, chain of events that ruined a family frown

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

152 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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A neighbours garage roof blew off a couple of years ago. A lot of damage to my car. I couldnt get the ins excess back though. Act of God. Even though I thought I argued about the sheer neglecg and disrepair of said garage. It really was falling down. Good luck though

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

227 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Vulgar LS2 said:
CO2000 said:
Welshbeef said:
Thank god you or anyone else wasn't walking below as said plank fell
Last year I watched a safety training video that re-enacted this happening and hit a passerby killing them!
I had to watch that video, chain of events that ruined a family frown
I was up in Manchester a little while ago and in that same area two men died at work from the employer not making them aware of the H&S of working at height (they sadly both fell off the building) families ripped apart.

If I were OP I'd be demanding that the scaffolding structure is made safe first and foremost as there could be more to fall or just hanging on now. As annoying as the car damage its a machine which will be repaired

Stick Legs

8,933 posts

194 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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CO2000 said:
Last year I watched a safety training video that re-enacted this happening and hit a passerby killing them!
Is that the one that tenuously links the phone call to the lack of attention being paid on the job? Man answers phone call at work, some time later scaffold board falls off & kills jogger, phone kills jogger.
Many of the H&S films remind me of the Yes, Minister joke, "All cat's have 4 legs, my Dog has 4 legs, therefore my Dog is a Cat."

AlonzoHarris

Original Poster:

121 posts

153 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Thanks for all the help so far.

Despite being mightily p*ssed off about the whole thing, I am aware that someone, not just me, could have been hit by the plank, and at the end of the day, it's only a car, know matter how much I like it!

Already got a quote for damage, and Estate Management company have said either I claim off scaffolding company through insurance, or come to an arrangement with them.

It has been over ten years since I claimed on car insurance....am I right in thinking that if it's a no-fault claim, any excess that I have on my policy will be recovered from the scaffolding company public liability insurance?

Also is it likely to affect my renewal adversely?

Foppo

2,346 posts

153 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Not an act of God.Scaffolding should have been secure, and if there was any doubt should have been taken down due to the weather.

Have you rang the company? They should carry the cost for your car repairs.

AlonzoHarris

Original Poster:

121 posts

153 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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I have no idea who the scaffolding company are unfortunately. The Estate Management company have informed them and told me they will update on Monday.

Luckily my bodyshop have said the damage is cosmetic, just needs a new bonnet and few cosmetic touches to the silver grill.

Very annoying, but reading about people being killed in this bad weather, without electricity etc, does put this into perspective for me.


CO2000

3,177 posts

238 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Stick Legs said:
CO2000 said:
Last year I watched a safety training video that re-enacted this happening and hit a passerby killing them!
Is that the one that tenuously links the phone call to the lack of attention being paid on the job? Man answers phone call at work, some time later scaffold board falls off & kills jogger, phone kills jogger.
Many of the H&S films remind me of the Yes, Minister joke, "All cat's have 4 legs, my Dog has 4 legs, therefore my Dog is a Cat."
Yes I believe it was, these things are always a bit played out but seem to remember it was a true story, there was one where a guy leaned back and fell off too.