RE: Another ton-up police chief hypocrite
RE: Another ton-up police chief hypocrite
Monday 22nd November 2004

Another ton-up police chief hypocrite

Anti-speed chief constable stopped for speeding


According to news reports, the Chief Constable of Derbyshire, David Coleman was being chauffeur-driven at 97mph when stopped by police on the M1 recently on his way back from London.

Chief Constable Coleman is known for his "anti-speeding" stance and 59,000 speeding tickets were issued in his area last year.

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign commented, "This is rank hypocrisy, and he's not the first. Assistant Chief Constable Steve Thomas was caught and Harriet Harman, the solicitor General was similarly caught. Perhaps the most famous of all was the (then) home secretary Jack Straw. When are these people going to preach what they practice and admit that 100mph on a motorway in good conditions isn't necessarily dangerous?"

Paul continued, "Road safety cannot be reduced to a simple matter of vehicle speed. It's more about consideration, courtesy, and matching speed to conditions. While we've been concentrating on numerical speed road safety results have stalled, culminating in a wholly unprecedented rise in the fatal accident rate last year. We must get back to the road safety policies that gave us the safest roads in the world as soon as possible."

The RAC said, "This is a serious speeding offence and one for which someone could expect an outright ban. They are the ones involved in promoting road safety and to be involved in a speeding offence clearly doesn't send a positive message to the public."

A Derbyshire Police spokeswoman said, "The matter is now being dealt with by Hertfordshire Police."

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JamieT

Original Poster:

1,536 posts

281 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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"The matter is now being dealt with by Derbyshire police"

Phew, for a minute there I thought he was going to get a way scott free I'm never happy about the police investigating themselves. We need a seperate entity (something like the FBI) who can investigate cases where police maybe involved. I presume his driver was a serving policeman?

zumbruk

7,848 posts

289 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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If his driver is a policeman, and the vehicle can be said to be being used on police business, them I'm afraid the speed limit does not apply.

benfell100

9,703 posts

289 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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Looks like the Police are above the Law after all...

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

284 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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zumbruk said:
If his driver is a policeman, and the vehicle can be said to be being used on police business, them I'm afraid the speed limit does not apply.


Not strictly true is it? I think they have to have reasonable justification to exceed the limit, i.e. chasing a toerag or getting to the scene of a serious accident. I'd hope that being late for a meeting etc. wouldn't cut it.

beanbag

7,346 posts

270 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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Hmmm.....this always seems to happen and they always get away with it scott free.

I recently was travelling home up the M3 on my motorcycle and I followed a police car all the way at 90mph.

I bet you if I was in front of that panda car, I would have been done.

Now you tell me how that's fair!?????

lunarscope

2,901 posts

271 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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Don't they have to use 'blues and twos' if exceeding the speed limit ?

crankedup

25,764 posts

272 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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All emergency vehicles are subject to the same road traffic reg's as us lot, unless on a official emergency call or authorized chav chase.

So if the big chief was a shout then this will be logged in and identifiable.

Place your bets

james_j

3,996 posts

284 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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Clearly, judging by his actions, he doesn't really believe what he is paid to do, otherwsie he would practice what he preaches wouldn't he?

Why doesn't he be a man instead of a weasel and preach what he practices?

corcoran

689 posts

303 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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the only time the PO are allowed to speed i believe is on a 'priority 1' call: when yes, chasing VW Toerags and other crims.

robert farago

108 posts

299 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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With each speeding ticket issued to a "safe" driver, the government degrades public respect for the rule of law. Every time a government official is caught speeding, it simply hastens the process.

Is it any wonder that the UK is beocming increasingly lawless?

cotty

42,229 posts

313 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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"Anti-speed chief constable stopped for speeding"

Not strictly true, his driver was stopped. The chief could have been sitting in the back doing paperwork/reading the paper, not looking at the speed.

Not enough details to go on. Was it his regular driver, what car limo or jam sandwich, what was the destination was he late, was he aware that he was late

fonoq35

285 posts

277 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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As my local bobby told me, often when in a hurry thy will just whip on the lights for a "lights test"...

And I dunno why people are surprised that he'd be speeding - the police are not saints - as prone to bullsh*tting as the rest of us!

vrooom

3,763 posts

296 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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"Chief Constable Coleman is known for his "anti-speeding" stance and 59,000 speeding tickets were issued in his area last year." which made £3,540,000 last year off motorist if all fines are £60. that is loads of money wasted!

snorky

2,322 posts

280 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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"lights test" how can you do a bloody lights test when you're inside the car.....drive with your head out the window....yet another case of one law for us and another for them......

Apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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There's been two threads about this already. He was in the back, could have been asleep, busy, too early to say

Lone Granger

801 posts

272 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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robert farago said:
With each speeding ticket issued to a "safe" driver, the government degrades public respect for the rule of law. Every time a government official is caught speeding, it simply hastens the process.

Is it any wonder that the UK is beocming increasingly lawless?


most elloquent!

ed.

2,176 posts

267 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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I did make a post, then thought is was depressing and nothing new so deleted it...

kawasicki

14,367 posts

264 months

Monday 22nd November 2004
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If the police chief had told the driver to slow down would he of been obstructing police business?

Tough call?

Shane

jk75

318 posts

265 months

Tuesday 23rd November 2004
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Bring back Hanging !

havoc

33,365 posts

264 months

Tuesday 23rd November 2004
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Regardless of what he was or wasn't doing, in the position he's in and with the stance of his constabulary, he had to be seen to be whiter than white. Allowing his driver to do 97 is an appaling lapse of judgement on his part, and as a result he deserves the negative publicity.