Private Parking Extortion Letters
Discussion
Mr Gearchange said:
I believe the loophole that you could previously use to avoid payment got closed and now you have to cough up.
Yes, clamping was banned recently, but these morons were pacified by Cameron who gave them the right to pursue the registered keeper for breach of contract, regardless of whether the registered keeper was driving the vehicle.
Absolutely outrageous, but we're now stuck with it.
klingelton said:
kind of ridiculous. There are motorway signs telling you not to drive tired, paid for by the MSA operators to get you to call in and spend money, yet you stop for a nap at a service station and you get busted for overstaying. file under b1n.
Fixed for you 
Gov advice (for what it's worth? Ie not a lot) is 15 mins per 2 hours
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/think-f...
Driver's meet up leaving their cars for the day whilst car sharing blocking up limited parking on older sites therefore preventing them being used for what was their primary purpose.
Whether you believe that now as they are all private is open to interpretation as the world has moved on.
Mrs400 currently indispute with Euro carparks, her and the motherin law went shopping, did some shopping then decided to leave the car and walk to M&S for a brew.
Anyway in my car so I received the PCN and was going to file it but shes decided shes going to "question" them. (I despair)
Parking allowed for 3hrs according to the signs shes didn't see as they were "to high", but the PCN states she over stayed by 59 mins over the two and a half hr limit??
So shes appealing and questioning the difference in time allowed to stay etc, they ve replyed wanting to know if we were genuine shoppers and if so they would like receipts showing so.
We live in Derbyshire they were shopping in the Brookfield centre,Chesnut Herts, me wanting to add that I don't travel the country to park my car in a car park for 3 hrs and not spend money to the appeal were not welcomed by Mrs400.
We are now awaiting the reply.
Her Mother has already offered to pay for it but shes not having it.
Anyway in my car so I received the PCN and was going to file it but shes decided shes going to "question" them. (I despair)
Parking allowed for 3hrs according to the signs shes didn't see as they were "to high", but the PCN states she over stayed by 59 mins over the two and a half hr limit??
So shes appealing and questioning the difference in time allowed to stay etc, they ve replyed wanting to know if we were genuine shoppers and if so they would like receipts showing so.
We live in Derbyshire they were shopping in the Brookfield centre,Chesnut Herts, me wanting to add that I don't travel the country to park my car in a car park for 3 hrs and not spend money to the appeal were not welcomed by Mrs400.
We are now awaiting the reply.
Her Mother has already offered to pay for it but shes not having it.
cossy400 said:
Mrs400 currently indispute with Euro carparks, her and the motherin law went shopping, did some shopping then decided to leave the car and walk to M&S for a brew.
Anyway in my car so I received the PCN and was going to file it but shes decided shes going to "question" them. (I despair)
Parking allowed for 3hrs according to the signs shes didn't see as they were "to high", but the PCN states she over stayed by 59 mins over the two and a half hr limit??
So shes appealing and questioning the difference in time allowed to stay etc, they ve replyed wanting to know if we were genuine shoppers and if so they would like receipts showing so.
We live in Derbyshire they were shopping in the Brookfield centre,Chesnut Herts, me wanting to add that I don't travel the country to park my car in a car park for 3 hrs and not spend money to the appeal were not welcomed by Mrs400.
We are now awaiting the reply.
Her Mother has already offered to pay for it but shes not having it.
What was the delay between the time of the parking and the receipt of the latter to the keeper? Was there any notice affixed to the vehicle?Anyway in my car so I received the PCN and was going to file it but shes decided shes going to "question" them. (I despair)
Parking allowed for 3hrs according to the signs shes didn't see as they were "to high", but the PCN states she over stayed by 59 mins over the two and a half hr limit??
So shes appealing and questioning the difference in time allowed to stay etc, they ve replyed wanting to know if we were genuine shoppers and if so they would like receipts showing so.
We live in Derbyshire they were shopping in the Brookfield centre,Chesnut Herts, me wanting to add that I don't travel the country to park my car in a car park for 3 hrs and not spend money to the appeal were not welcomed by Mrs400.
We are now awaiting the reply.
Her Mother has already offered to pay for it but shes not having it.
Cyberprog said:
cossy400 said:
Mrs400 currently indispute with Euro carparks, her and the motherin law went shopping, did some shopping then decided to leave the car and walk to M&S for a brew.
Anyway in my car so I received the PCN and was going to file it but shes decided shes going to "question" them. (I despair)
Parking allowed for 3hrs according to the signs shes didn't see as they were "to high", but the PCN states she over stayed by 59 mins over the two and a half hr limit??
So shes appealing and questioning the difference in time allowed to stay etc, they ve replyed wanting to know if we were genuine shoppers and if so they would like receipts showing so.
We live in Derbyshire they were shopping in the Brookfield centre,Chesnut Herts, me wanting to add that I don't travel the country to park my car in a car park for 3 hrs and not spend money to the appeal were not welcomed by Mrs400.
We are now awaiting the reply.
Her Mother has already offered to pay for it but shes not having it.
What was the delay between the time of the parking and the receipt of the latter to the keeper? Was there any notice affixed to the vehicle?Anyway in my car so I received the PCN and was going to file it but shes decided shes going to "question" them. (I despair)
Parking allowed for 3hrs according to the signs shes didn't see as they were "to high", but the PCN states she over stayed by 59 mins over the two and a half hr limit??
So shes appealing and questioning the difference in time allowed to stay etc, they ve replyed wanting to know if we were genuine shoppers and if so they would like receipts showing so.
We live in Derbyshire they were shopping in the Brookfield centre,Chesnut Herts, me wanting to add that I don't travel the country to park my car in a car park for 3 hrs and not spend money to the appeal were not welcomed by Mrs400.
We are now awaiting the reply.
Her Mother has already offered to pay for it but shes not having it.
They ve got a load of receipts between them that she has fired off guess we ll see.
cossy400 said:
No notice attached to the vehicle so must of been a camera job, and they were there on the Fri and the letter came the following Sat. (week and one day after)
They ve got a load of receipts between them that she has fired off guess we ll see.
Ok, so within the time limits of the POFA. Your next step is to appeal to them, the grounds would be that the charges are not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, and state that if they do not accept the appeal on these grounds, that you would like a POPLA code. This costs them money you will be glad to know, and POPLA at the moment seems to be pretty good on GPEOL cases. Check round on the motoring forums, and look at the parking prankster's guide. They ve got a load of receipts between them that she has fired off guess we ll see.
Same goes for the OP (sorry, thought you were!) - NTK needs to be with the Keeper within 14 days of the event.
Ignore it. You'll get a reminder, then a final reminder before legal action, then a copy of the unsubmitted court papers saying that these will be submitted in 14 days unless you pay. Hold your nerve, keep all the docs, but ignore. As it's a free car park, there is no loss to the land-owner, so it will never go to court and win.
fatboy b said:
Ignore it. You'll get a reminder, then a final reminder before legal action, then a copy of the unsubmitted court papers saying that these will be submitted in 14 days unless you pay. Hold your nerve, keep all the docs, but ignore. As it's a free car park, there is no loss to the land-owner, so it will never go to court and win.
You're missing the point. They base their claims on a contract you're deemed to have entered by using the car park, in which you agree to pay a fee after a specified time or a penalty if you don't pay the fee.All they have to do is prove you were there too long and paid nothing, then they sue you for breach of contract, against which you have no defence.
By going to court, they can't lose.
God knows what happened to the old necessities for a valid contract, offer, acceptance and consideration.
Your advice was good before the law changed, because they didn't have the identity of the driver, so they had nobody to sue. It's different now, Cameron has given them the right to sue the registered keeper, even if that person wasn't driving.
Edited by mybrainhurts on Monday 24th March 22:21
mybrainhurts said:
fatboy b said:
Ignore it. You'll get a reminder, then a final reminder before legal action, then a copy of the unsubmitted court papers saying that these will be submitted in 14 days unless you pay. Hold your nerve, keep all the docs, but ignore. As it's a free car park, there is no loss to the land-owner, so it will never go to court and win.
You're missing the point. They base their claims on a contract you're deemed to have entered by using the car park, in which you agree to pay a fee after a specified time or a penalty if you don't pay the fee.All they have to do is prove you were there too long and paid nothing, then they sue you for breach of contract, against which you have no defence.
By going to court, they can't lose.
God knows what happened to the old necessities for a valid contract, offer, acceptance and consideration.
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