Can I drive in this cycle-lane?

[CoolHands]

Or, more accurately, ride (my motorbike). Recent usual traffic 'engineers' have bodged up the local roads and installed a small roundabout (to the right of pics). As is the way of things these days they've tried to sort of funnel traffic down to 1 and a bit lanes for no real reason, created loads of traffic, and chucked in a couple of weird cycle lanes on the left. On my (bike) I like to fly round the roundabout and shoot up the 2nd weirdy cycle-lane bit.

Is it an offense? I'm wondering whether it conforms to whatever regs it's meant to.



2nd entrance, reserved for moi:

[RemaL]

I have no idea but would more than likely use it if I knew of one like that

[anonymous-user]

I'm no expert, in cycle lanes or indeed anything much, but IIrc it has to have either a broken white line as a border (which means you can ride through it) or a solid line (which you can't)
Grubby in-set kerb stones don't count.

[anonymous-user]

Hi. Traffic engineer here. Or is it 'engineer'?

You'll understand if I don't help you with your request.

Maybe ask with a little more respect next time.

[anonymous-user]

Crossflow Kid said:

I'm no expert, in cycle lanes or indeed anything much, but IIrc it has to have either a broken white line as a border (which means you can ride through it) or a solid line (which you can't)
Grubby in-set kerb stones don't count.

Nearly but not quite

[CoolHands]

OpulentBob said:

Hi. Traffic engineer here. Or is it 'engineer'?

You'll understand if I don't help you with your request.

Maybe ask with a little more respect next time.

meh

do a better job then

[jimbop1]

No solid white line so I would.

[Magog]

Is that Acton, what's happened to all the traffic lights and pedestrian crossings?

That looks like a potentially dangerous blurring between the lines of road and pavement to me. Presumably any area beyond the double yellow lines isn't actually the road?

Maybe Opulent Bob will tell us if we ask nicely?

[anonymous-user]

OpulentBob said:

Crossflow Kid said:

I'm no expert, in cycle lanes or indeed anything much, but IIrc it has to have either a broken white line as a border (which means you can ride through it) or a solid line (which you can't)
Grubby in-set kerb stones don't count.

Nearly but not quite

Ah, here we go:

Road Traffic Act website look-up thingy said:

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.

So, solid lines are a no-no, where as broken lines are a try-not-to.

[CoolHands]

magod the pavement is raised as normal though it may not be obvious from the pic. ie it's a 'normal' pavement, then a non-conforming cyclelane, then a 2nd non-conforming cyclelane, then the actual road hurrah

[anonymous-user]

Crossflow Kid said:

OpulentBob said:

Crossflow Kid said:

I'm no expert, in cycle lanes or indeed anything much, but IIrc it has to have either a broken white line as a border (which means you can ride through it) or a solid line (which you can't)
Grubby in-set kerb stones don't count.

Nearly but not quite

Ah, here we go:

Road Traffic Act website look-up thingy said:

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.

So, solid lines are a no-no, where as broken lines are a try-not-to.

Pretty much. There is a get-out clause of "drivers may not enter... unless seen by the driver to be safe to do so" or words to that effect.

[CoolHands]

Crossflow Kid said:

OpulentBob said:

Crossflow Kid said:

I'm no expert, in cycle lanes or indeed anything much, but IIrc it has to have either a broken white line as a border (which means you can ride through it) or a solid line (which you can't)
Grubby in-set kerb stones don't count.

Nearly but not quite

Ah, here we go:

Road Traffic Act website look-up thingy said:

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.

So, solid lines are a no-no, where as broken lines are a try-not-to.

so when they realise they've fked up they'll be back to spend more of our money repainting lines etc and ensure that traffic jam is a-okay

[Magog]

CoolHands said:

magod the pavement is raised as normal though it may not be obvious from the pic. ie it's a 'normal' pavement, then a non-conforming cyclelane, then a 2nd non-conforming cyclelane, then the actual road hurrah

Not all pavements are created equal though. There are pavements and 'pavements'. It's possible that the cycle lanes don't conform because they're not considered part of the road, the curtilage being defined by the double yellow lines. To my eye's it's potentially confusing and dangerous, a pedestrian could step out as far as the double yellow lines believing they were still on the pavement, and be hit by a vehicle whose driver thought they were still on the road.

[anonymous-user]

CoolHands said:

Or, more accurately, ride (my motorbike). Recent usual traffic 'engineers' have bodged up the local roads and installed a small roundabout (to the right of pics). As is the way of things these days they've tried to sort of funnel traffic down to 1 and a bit lanes for no real reason, created loads of traffic, and chucked in a couple of weird cycle lanes on the left. On my (bike) I like to fly round the roundabout and shoot up the 2nd weirdy cycle-lane bit.

Is it an offense? I'm wondering whether it conforms to whatever regs it's meant to.

Given where the double yellows are placed, I'd say that the cycle lane is actually part of the pavement, and the pavement has been widened. So unless you fancy riding on the pavement, no.

[anonymous-user]

CoolHands said:

Crossflow Kid said:

OpulentBob said:

Crossflow Kid said:

I'm no expert, in cycle lanes or indeed anything much, but IIrc it has to have either a broken white line as a border (which means you can ride through it) or a solid line (which you can't)
Grubby in-set kerb stones don't count.

Nearly but not quite

Ah, here we go:

Road Traffic Act website look-up thingy said:

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.

So, solid lines are a no-no, where as broken lines are a try-not-to.

so when they realise they've fked up they'll be back to spend more of our money repainting lines etc and ensure that traffic jam is a-okay

More likely is that the LA have found out they can't install a legally binding cycle lane due to overall width of the road or some other loophole, so they make one up that looks sort of kinda official so daydreaming car drivers see it and think "Ooooh......cycle lane. Mustn't go near that or the bigger boys will come and get me".

[oyster]

Not sure I'd want a police patrol to see me driving well to the left of a double yellow line.

Looks like a very weird road layout though.

[Mr Will]

You know those dicks who swerve over to block you when you are filtering? You are as bad as them. What they are doing may be legal but it doesn't stop it being anti-social and tttish.

It's clearly a cycle-lane. If you haven't got pedals then fk off out of it.

[oyster]

Mr Will said:

You know those dicks who swerve over to block you when you are filtering? You are as bad as them. What they are doing may be legal but it doesn't stop it being anti-social and tttish.

It's clearly a cycle-lane. If you haven't got pedals then fk off out of it.

To be honest I don't have too much of a problem with motorbikes in cycle lanes so long as they don't get in my way or pretend that they have some right of way based on their size.

Most of them seem to be very keen to get out of them as quickly as they arrived in them.

[CoolHands]

Mr Will said:

You know those dicks who swerve over to block you when you are filtering? You are as bad as them. What they are doing may be legal but it doesn't stop it being anti-social and tttish.

It's clearly a cycle-lane. If you haven't got pedals then fk off out of it.

where's the couldn't-give-a-st smiley

Should I wait in line like a nice tt going nowhere cos local authorities or whoever want to screw up the roads. No.

[agtlaw]

Crossflow Kid said:

OpulentBob said:

Crossflow Kid said:

I'm no expert, in cycle lanes or indeed anything much, but IIrc it has to have either a broken white line as a border (which means you can ride through it) or a solid line (which you can't)
Grubby in-set kerb stones don't count.

Nearly but not quite

Ah, here we go:

Road Traffic Act website look-up thingy said:

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.

So, solid lines are a no-no, where as broken lines are a try-not-to.

That's not the RTA - It's a cut/paste from some guidance in the Highway code.