Speeder cop fury
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A driver got revenge on a cop who booked him for speeding - by pulling the policeman over for going too fast.
Neil Saunders says he was stopped for doing 76mph on the M20 in Kent. But further along the same motorway he saw the same cop at 80mph.
So he flashed him to pull over - and phoned police to complain.
Mr Saunders, of Chilham, Kent, said "I'm prepared to apologise for throwing my rattle out of my pram - but i won't back down."
Kent police said: "This is being investigated."
Neil Saunders says he was stopped for doing 76mph on the M20 in Kent. But further along the same motorway he saw the same cop at 80mph.
So he flashed him to pull over - and phoned police to complain.
Mr Saunders, of Chilham, Kent, said "I'm prepared to apologise for throwing my rattle out of my pram - but i won't back down."
Kent police said: "This is being investigated."
Fair play to him for having the balls to do it
I can see why too.
Be interesting to see what happens.
On the way to Wales once M4 at about 5am I had 3 police Volvos go past me in formation. No blue lights or sirens on. They must have been doing at least 150.
I was quite happy about it though. I was going VERY fast at the time and they didnt stop me ! Pretty amazing for Wales.
I can see why too.
Be interesting to see what happens.
On the way to Wales once M4 at about 5am I had 3 police Volvos go past me in formation. No blue lights or sirens on. They must have been doing at least 150.
I was quite happy about it though. I was going VERY fast at the time and they didnt stop me ! Pretty amazing for Wales.
But is this legal? And, on a tangent, what are the rules concerning police speeding - I'm pretty sure it's not carte blanche, but are they legally (written down in some form) allowed to speed or are they subject to the same laws as the rest of us, but exempted from liability if they can prove justification such as the responsible carrying out of their duties?
I have experienced a situation similar to this. In '97 a colleague was caught speeding by camera whilst in a marked patrol car..he was NOT dealing with an emergency or any call at the time. He had no excuse and as far as i know recieved a FPN for this. Our C/Super insisted on it..!
>> Edited by waynester on Friday 26th November 10:03
>> Edited by waynester on Friday 26th November 10:03
stumartin said:
But is this legal? And, on a tangent, what are the rules concerning police speeding - I'm pretty sure it's not carte blanche, but are they legally (written down in some form) allowed to speed or are they subject to the same laws as the rest of us, but exempted from liability if they can prove justification such as the responsible carrying out of their duties?
The second bit's pretty much right - emergency services (police, fire, ambulance, coastguard) are never 'allowed' to speed. A driver of a vehicle being used for emergency services purposes may claim an exemption from the offence of exceeding the speed limit if the purpose for which the vehicle was being used at the time would be hindered by the observance of the speed limit. Carte blanche it certainly isn't - if caught the driver needs to explain why (s)he was exceeding the limit and provide proof of necessity - CAD number, phone records, radio transcripts etc.
loaf said:
The second bit's pretty much right - emergency services (police, fire, ambulance, coastguard) are never 'allowed' to speed. A driver of a vehicle being used for emergency services purposes may claim an exemption from the offence of exceeding the speed limit if the purpose for which the vehicle was being used at the time would be hindered by the observance of the speed limit. Carte blanche it certainly isn't - if caught the driver needs to explain why (s)he was exceeding the limit and provide proof of necessity - CAD number, phone records, radio transcripts etc.
That's pretty much as I thought, thanks.
All this about who is allowed to ignore speed limits and when is aparently to be sorted in yet another bit of legislation from the Home Office.
47 major pieces of legislation since Blair came to No 10 and still counting, rapidly too.
Blunderkitt! There that's my daily breaking of Public Order Act......
47 major pieces of legislation since Blair came to No 10 and still counting, rapidly too.
Blunderkitt! There that's my daily breaking of Public Order Act...... wik said:
On the way to Wales once M4 at about 5am I had 3 police Volvos go past me in formation. No blue lights or sirens on. They must have been doing at least 150.
I was quite happy about it though. I was going VERY fast at the time and they didnt stop me ! Pretty amazing for Wales.
They were either nicked or the doughnut shop was about to open.
Here on the M1 we always see Pol Volvos speeding - Normally they take either the 1st exit into Leeds or the J41 for the Plod stop at J41 industrial estate.
We always say they're rushing in before the canteen runs out of breakfasts or rushing home before the Pizza Parlour shuts. Oh and they'll use the hard shoulder as well!
I have actually reprimanded a Panda set - Pulled up alongside me at a set of lights and neither were wearing seatbelts. I caught passenger's eyes and pointed to my seatbelt. They got the message.
For ages afterwards I wondered if I was a marked man!
Piccy
We always say they're rushing in before the canteen runs out of breakfasts or rushing home before the Pizza Parlour shuts. Oh and they'll use the hard shoulder as well!
I have actually reprimanded a Panda set - Pulled up alongside me at a set of lights and neither were wearing seatbelts. I caught passenger's eyes and pointed to my seatbelt. They got the message.
For ages afterwards I wondered if I was a marked man!
Piccy
I can see a reason why a police traffic car might break the limit when not on a emergency call though. If the driver was to stick to the limit there would be a bubble of cars around him at the same speed all behaving, the speeds not so much the issue but he will just see the same cars, if he makes a bit more progress he can see a lot more cars & potentially more serious issues that can be dealt with eg phone use, tail gating, due care etc etc. These would not be picked up on in the 'bubble' of well behaving motorists intentionally not drawing attention to themselves.
Note I belive the CC caught & discussed on the other thread doesnt fit into anything resembling the description above & deserves all the grief he gets, hypocrite. Police business use my arse.
Note I belive the CC caught & discussed on the other thread doesnt fit into anything resembling the description above & deserves all the grief he gets, hypocrite. Police business use my arse.
Uuuummmmm very interesting.
Two points to throw into the fire:
Strathen v Gladstone [1937] - a private person who is trailing a police car cannot plead he was using the vehicle for a police purpose and therefore exempt, with a view to obtaining evidence to prosecute its driver for speeding.
Exemption for speeding does not just apply to emergency use. Aitken v Yarwood [1964]- If in a particlar case and a particular set of special circumstances, it is established that, soley in order to enable a police purpose to be performed, or soley to ensure that a police purpose requiring to be performed is not frustrated, use must be made of a vehicle and the use being made of it would be hindered by observance of the provisions restricting the speed at which vehicles can travel, then in such circumstances this excuses the offence of travelling too fast. This case centred on a PC that was travelling to Court, broke down, and then had to speed to get to Court. hels speed to be justified.(Make a note of this one in the back of the OPB chaps)
My motorway days we were instructed to do speed sweeps down the outside lane to encourage land discipline.
DVD
Two points to throw into the fire:
Strathen v Gladstone [1937] - a private person who is trailing a police car cannot plead he was using the vehicle for a police purpose and therefore exempt, with a view to obtaining evidence to prosecute its driver for speeding.
Exemption for speeding does not just apply to emergency use. Aitken v Yarwood [1964]- If in a particlar case and a particular set of special circumstances, it is established that, soley in order to enable a police purpose to be performed, or soley to ensure that a police purpose requiring to be performed is not frustrated, use must be made of a vehicle and the use being made of it would be hindered by observance of the provisions restricting the speed at which vehicles can travel, then in such circumstances this excuses the offence of travelling too fast. This case centred on a PC that was travelling to Court, broke down, and then had to speed to get to Court. hels speed to be justified.(Make a note of this one in the back of the OPB chaps)
My motorway days we were instructed to do speed sweeps down the outside lane to encourage land discipline.
DVD
piccy mate said:
Here on the M1 we always see Pol Volvos speeding - Normally they take either the 1st exit into Leeds or the J41 for the Plod stop at J41 industrial estate.
We always say they're rushing in before the canteen runs out of breakfasts or rushing home before the Pizza Parlour shuts. Oh and they'll use the hard shoulder as well!
I have regularly seen marked cars using the hard shoulder to avoid the queues the rest of us have to suffer. One near Manchester recently was a Merc M class which pulled over tot eh hard shoulder at the tail end of a queue I was about to join. I though, OK, he must be pulling over to sort the problem which is causing the hold up - but then saw him pulling back out again in front where there was no queue (it was only a short hold up) - he did this a further twice before pulling into Birch services, where unfortunately the plod stop is on the eastbound carriageway and I was heading west otherwise I would have gone in and reported him. Didn't have time though, and also then worry that you become a target.
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