Are you more afraid of a Nicking or a crash?
Discussion
When I'm on a mission, I'm not thinking about crashing, but I do worry about an unneccessary chat with the BiB ! such is my concern, that I will do almost anything to avoid these encounters, like running nice electronic countermeasures. Yet I'm not scared for myself. I also feel that looking for Plod is getting in the way of my safety, and my fun.
How about you?
How about you?
hertsbiker said:
When I'm on a mission, I'm not thinking about crashing, but I do worry about an unneccessary chat with the BiB ! such is my concern, that I will do almost anything to avoid these encounters, like running nice electronic countermeasures. Yet I'm not scared for myself. I also feel that looking for Plod is getting in the way of my safety, and my fun.
How about you?
Well I'm in no doubt that the thing to avoid above all is a shunt, but I do agree that concern for avoiding unfavourable interviews with plod are a significant distraction.
Why the hell can't we be left alone if it's only a trifling matter* of speed limits transgressions?
OK so it's the law!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
* ...like 60% over NSL, for example.
Same here - whether I'm making decent progress down a B road, or find my speed creeing up to and sometimes over the ton on the motorway, I'm not thinking "Oh, I'd better slow down, I might crash", I'm thinking more along the lines of "Oops, better slow down, I might get caught."
It's all wrong!!!!
It's all wrong!!!!
Long time ago used to run out from weeze to the dutch border at vell 
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Road was typical germanic "A road" precision, ie nothing to worry about apart from where it went and if it was "wet".
Used to get a lot of german bikers on it. The road went from fast (close 100 mph) curves to medium/slow bends close to the border. Went from open to forested at the same time it went from fast to medium.
Bikers would REALLY back off at this point but PUG Meister MoJo would keep it in and use 205's characteristics to piss off bikers when trees were about.
Then get done at next straight.
So, guess more bothered about police than prang (in tinfoil GTI) to answer your original Q.
MoJo
. Road was typical germanic "A road" precision, ie nothing to worry about apart from where it went and if it was "wet".
Used to get a lot of german bikers on it. The road went from fast (close 100 mph) curves to medium/slow bends close to the border. Went from open to forested at the same time it went from fast to medium.
Bikers would REALLY back off at this point but PUG Meister MoJo would keep it in and use 205's characteristics to piss off bikers when trees were about.
Then get done at next straight.
So, guess more bothered about police than prang (in tinfoil GTI) to answer your original Q.
MoJo
Definitely more concerned about being nicked - simple really, I drive within what I perceive to be safe limits for the conditions, my abilities, my car etc. This does not always tie in with the numbers posted on signs set by others to cover the worst conditions likely and often based around cars built in the 1960's.
After all, if we went metric the speed limit in built up areas would probably increase by 1mph to be a round number, so the actual number is irrelevant. It is conditions which count.
Speed per se doesn't kill, inappropriate speed might.
After all, if we went metric the speed limit in built up areas would probably increase by 1mph to be a round number, so the actual number is irrelevant. It is conditions which count.
Speed per se doesn't kill, inappropriate speed might.
It depends on the area. I live not half a mile from the local traffic police area operations centre and doing anything remotly pullable so close, is just asking for it. They are always around and I regularly see them filling up in the petrol station nearby.
Further away though, people seem to drive like idiots and as I rarely see a police car elsewhere, my thoughts turn to avoiding other peoples stupidity or avoiding pot holes that worring about flashing blue lights beind me
Further away though, people seem to drive like idiots and as I rarely see a police car elsewhere, my thoughts turn to avoiding other peoples stupidity or avoiding pot holes that worring about flashing blue lights beind me
Gazboy said:
The Rozzers, without question.
if you are afraid of crashing, or think you are a likely candidate for a stay in the nearest ICU, then you really have to re-think your driving style.
I seem to have interpreted the question differently from the rest of you. A shunt is the event that it is most important to avoid, but that is not to say I have any significant expectation of having one, so I see no need for a change to my driving style.
Let's just say we want no shunts and no nicking - but then we don't deserve to be nicked do we!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
hertsbiker said:
When I'm on a mission, I'm not thinking about crashing, but I do worry about an unneccessary chat with the BiB ! such is my concern, that I will do almost anything to avoid these encounters, like running nice electronic countermeasures. Yet I'm not scared for myself. I also feel that looking for Plod is getting in the way of my safety, and my fun.
How about you?
Typical scene: Person in front of you is trundling along (speed irrelevant), sees speed camera, slams on brakes.
Question: what concerns them most? A smash up the rear or an automated fine in the post?
...and there are bl00dy fools who call them "safety" cameras and amazingly equally stupid ones who believe it!
On the other hand, if we thought we were going to crash, we wouldnt be doing it...
I like to think that I dont drive at 10/10ths on the road. Then again I might progress up to 8 or 9/10ths on occasion :P
I'm a hell of a lot more likely on a given journey to be zapped / pulled than to crash. The consequences of the crash MIGHT be more severe (ie a bit of offroading = no damage, injured pride and thats it) or one hell of a lot more severe (multiple fatality).
On a pure statistics basis, 100's of thousands of speeding tickets / stops by police cars last year, yet 100's of fatal accidents. (Cant remember the exact figures off the top of my head...)
One is thousands of times more likely than the other, a lot more so given driver training, skill and appropriate machinery.
I like to think that I dont drive at 10/10ths on the road. Then again I might progress up to 8 or 9/10ths on occasion :P
I'm a hell of a lot more likely on a given journey to be zapped / pulled than to crash. The consequences of the crash MIGHT be more severe (ie a bit of offroading = no damage, injured pride and thats it) or one hell of a lot more severe (multiple fatality).
On a pure statistics basis, 100's of thousands of speeding tickets / stops by police cars last year, yet 100's of fatal accidents. (Cant remember the exact figures off the top of my head...)
One is thousands of times more likely than the other, a lot more so given driver training, skill and appropriate machinery.
hertsbiker said:
I attended another motorcycle fatality the other night....
They are dropping like flies at the moment. Tragic, really is..
yeah, but how "safe" did your mates with the cameras make them? did all the cameras in the world (1/6 of them in the UK) actually help one iota?
You can never tell. I've stopped many a rider on a high powered machine, driving at the speed limit, just for a routine document check.
They've informed me they're running on 6 penalty points or 9 points or whatever and will be keeping to the limits for the next 3 years as they don't want to get banned.....Who knows if that will save their lives?
Back to original q, I guess it depends on the situation. When I am on the wrong side of the road I am bloody well concentrating on what is going on around me, not looking for Bib in whatever form they take, including cameras.
On the otherhand at 1.00am doing 1.2 or more no a motorway, then I am damn scared of being caught...
On the otherhand at 1.00am doing 1.2 or more no a motorway, then I am damn scared of being caught...
Speedcop said:
Speedcop said:
I attended another motorcycle fatality the other night....
They are dropping like flies at the moment. Tragic, really is..
yeah, but how "safe" did your mates with the cameras make them? did all the cameras in the world (1/6 of them in the UK) actually help one iota?
You can never tell. I've stopped many a rider on a high powered machine, driving at the speed limit, just for a routine document check.
They've informed me they're running on 6 penalty points or 9 points or whatever and will be keeping to the limits for the next 3 years as they don't want to get banned.....Who knows if that will save their lives?
It seems as if you are uncertain as to whether the motorcyclists' lives will be saved. Is there doubt in your mind?
So, if they're riding at the speed limit and not breaking the law, why did you need to stop them for a document check?
In all my years of riding/driving I've never had that done to me
Seems to me if the rider was doing no wrong and you weren't tipped off he was riding a stolen or illegal bike that you're being a bit over-zealous there.
Once again brings up the mantra " Never trust a copper"
Sorry sir, but that doesn't sit well with me.
Piccy
In all my years of riding/driving I've never had that done to me
Seems to me if the rider was doing no wrong and you weren't tipped off he was riding a stolen or illegal bike that you're being a bit over-zealous there.
Once again brings up the mantra " Never trust a copper"
Sorry sir, but that doesn't sit well with me.
Piccy
Speedcop said:
I've stopped many a rider on a high powered machine, driving at the speed limit, just for a routine document check.
They've informed me they're running on 6 penalty points or 9 points or whatever and will be keeping to the limits for the next 3 years as they don't want to get banned.....Who knows if that will save their lives?
timbob said:
Same here - whether I'm making decent progress down a B road, or find my speed creeing up to and sometimes over the ton on the motorway, I'm not thinking "Oh, I'd better slow down, I might crash", I'm thinking more along the lines of "Oops, better slow down, I might get caught."
It's all wrong!!!!
It only crosses my mind about crashing when I pull myself up for doing something that pushes the envelope a bit...this doesn't happen much thank god because I drive so damn cautiously! but it doesn't stop me maxing out whenever I judge I should
my overiding concern is to avoid detection and enable myself to go about my business as I see fit
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