Fatality Figures
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ca092003

Original Poster:

797 posts

266 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Am I right in thinking that after every fatal there is a report produced by the investigating police team which will, presumably, identify what were the causation and contributory factors of the collision?

If that is the case, is it these factors that are used by the Speed Camera Partnerships when determining where speed cameras should be placed?

For seriously injured collisions, I assume the PC just ticks the various boxes on the relevant form.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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The actual RTC booklet is the same for minor collisions as it is for Fatal ones....

Only the amount of Statements differs..together with exhibits and disclosure issues.

Certainly in my area, my colleagues and I could only find 4 sites out of 30 that we didn't agree with for speed enforcement.

Street

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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If speed cameras have to be placed at KSI sites why do they monitor the average speed of traffic for at least one month before siting a speed camera?

Its either dangerous or its not, the prevailing speed makes little difference.

ca092003

Original Poster:

797 posts

266 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Streetcop said:
The actual RTC booklet is the same for minor collisions as it is for Fatal ones....

Only the amount of Statements differs..together with exhibits and disclosure issues.

Certainly in my area, my colleagues and I could only find 4 sites out of 30 that we didn't agree with for speed enforcement.

Street


Is it possible to get hold of one of these blank forms?

GreigM

6,740 posts

278 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Streetcop said:
The actual RTC booklet is the same for minor collisions as it is for Fatal ones....

Only the amount of Statements differs..together with exhibits and disclosure issues.

Certainly in my area, my colleagues and I could only find 4 sites out of 30 that we didn't agree with for speed enforcement.

Street


That's still 13% street, so if that stat was consistent amongst all scameras then out of the 5,500 cameras in the UK then at least 715 are not properly located.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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GreigM said:

Streetcop said:
The actual RTC booklet is the same for minor collisions as it is for Fatal ones....

Only the amount of Statements differs..together with exhibits and disclosure issues.

Certainly in my area, my colleagues and I could only find 4 sites out of 30 that we didn't agree with for speed enforcement.

Street



That's still 13% street, so if that stat was consistent amongst all scameras then out of the 5,500 cameras in the UK then at least 715 are not properly located.


Very likely....

Of course...cameras are also placed in 'Speed Complaint' sites too..and 'Potential Collision areas', thus answering to the complaints of:

"Does someone have to die before the bloody police will do something about these speeding motorists on this road?"

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Well death is the formula used to place road furniture for years and it broadly speaking works.

Why change?

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Evolution?

A safer Britain..?

Only the other day I was hearing about a young woman on a horse who had died as a result of a low flying military aircraft and her family campaigning for this never to happen again...

A few months back there was the wind buggy thing on the beach that killed a young mother and calls for them to be banned..

Jet Skis fatally injuring bathers in Bournemouth..

etc etc etc

Ban everything...ban it all....

Tonyrec

3,984 posts

284 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Dont forget to wear your goggles when playing with your conkers.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Tonyrec said:
Dont forget to wear your goggles when playing with your conkers.


It would be amusing if it wasnt so accurate.

Honestly, really, where DID it all go wrong?

ca092003

Original Poster:

797 posts

266 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Plotloss said:

Tonyrec said:
Dont forget to wear your goggles when playing with your conkers.



It would be amusing if it wasnt so accurate.

Honestly, really, where DID it all go wrong?


It all went wrong when people like me and you let people like Bliar and Blunkett get into power.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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ca092003 said:

Plotloss said:


Tonyrec said:
Dont forget to wear your goggles when playing with your conkers.




It would be amusing if it wasnt so accurate.

Honestly, really, where DID it all go wrong?



It all went wrong when people like me and you let people like Bliar and Blunkett get into power.


I voted for Conservative, but was a bit lonely....

Bet I wont be lonely next time....

Street

ca092003

Original Poster:

797 posts

266 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Streetcop said:

ca092003 said:


Plotloss said:



Tonyrec said:
Dont forget to wear your goggles when playing with your conkers.





It would be amusing if it wasnt so accurate.

Honestly, really, where DID it all go wrong?




It all went wrong when people like me and you let people like Bliar and Blunkett get into power.



I voted for Conservative, but was a bit lonely....

Bet I wont be lonely next time....

Street


Streetcop

The point I was trying to make was that people like Blunkett came up through the ranks of local politics. When I look at my local councillors it scares me.

One of these could be 10 times worse than Blunkett in 10 years time!

If Labour do not kicked out by the election but one, then it is bye-bye UK for me.

Speedcop

5,907 posts

267 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Fingers crossed for a Conservative victory..

See..i'm being nice..

Speed

ca092003

Original Poster:

797 posts

266 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Speedcop said:
Fingers crossed for a Conservative victory..

See..i'm being nice..

Speed



SpeedCop

You never know when we might need to work together

Bitter'n'twisted

595 posts

287 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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ca092003 said:

If Labour do not get kicked out by the election but one, then it is bye-bye UK for me.


Yes, same here.

I always joking said I would leave if Labour got in.
How right I was. Only thing is Labour have been worse than I ever thought possible.

Mind you, I'm off anyway. I think it's too late now to stay.

Apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Tuesday 30th November 2004
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Streetcop said:
Evolution?

A safer Britain..?

Only the other day I was hearing about a young woman on a horse who had died as a result of a low flying military aircraft and her family campaigning for this never to happen again...

A few months back there was the wind buggy thing on the beach that killed a young mother and calls for them to be banned..

Jet Skis fatally injuring bathers in Bournemouth..

etc etc etc

Ban everything...ban it all....



and, unfortunately, some of them get political about it, ie Mary Williams