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Looking for some guidance....
My Son was recently issued with a Section 59. He was with a group of friends in a car park and a few of them had been messing around on their bikes, my Son was stood next to his bike with his keys in his pocket when the police arrived.
My Son didn't agree that he should receive this section 59 as he wasn't even riding his bike at the time, I have since asked the officer who issued it why it was given to my Son, he explained that a section 59 can be issued up to 12 after an offence is committed, he said that he had seen him riding stupidly in the past. He agrees that at the time my Son was issued it he was doing nothing wrong and agrees he wasn't riding his bike.
What are the rules of when a section 59 can be issued?
My Son was recently issued with a Section 59. He was with a group of friends in a car park and a few of them had been messing around on their bikes, my Son was stood next to his bike with his keys in his pocket when the police arrived.
My Son didn't agree that he should receive this section 59 as he wasn't even riding his bike at the time, I have since asked the officer who issued it why it was given to my Son, he explained that a section 59 can be issued up to 12 after an offence is committed, he said that he had seen him riding stupidly in the past. He agrees that at the time my Son was issued it he was doing nothing wrong and agrees he wasn't riding his bike.
What are the rules of when a section 59 can be issued?
Thanks for the link but it doesn't really answer my question.
I know why they are issued and the consequences if this happens but I want to know do they have to be issued at the point of the offence or can a police officer issue you one because your mate was being an idiot on his bike and you happen to be in the same place?
The officer then says oh you're getting one too because I've seen you previously?
I know why they are issued and the consequences if this happens but I want to know do they have to be issued at the point of the offence or can a police officer issue you one because your mate was being an idiot on his bike and you happen to be in the same place?
The officer then says oh you're getting one too because I've seen you previously?
Yes - he's telling the truth but I wasn't sure at the time!
I went to the station and asked to talk with the officer who issued the S59, he said that he was stood next to his bike and was doing nothing wrong (but others in the group were) He said he issued the S59 because of a previous time he had seen him riding stupidly, he insisted he can issue it up to 12 months after the offence, that might be right, I'm just not convinced.
I went to the station and asked to talk with the officer who issued the S59, he said that he was stood next to his bike and was doing nothing wrong (but others in the group were) He said he issued the S59 because of a previous time he had seen him riding stupidly, he insisted he can issue it up to 12 months after the offence, that might be right, I'm just not convinced.
73mark said:
If he keeps his nose clean for the next 12 months,he'll have nothing to worry about.
You should ask the police officer,why did he not issue your son a section 59 when he saw him ridding stupidly before.
I've been on the receiving end of false allegations from police officers. Other police officers then subsequently tried to pretend it didn't happen. Some police officers try it on.You should ask the police officer,why did he not issue your son a section 59 when he saw him ridding stupidly before.
73mark said:
The time before did the police officer pull the boy over and have a word or just take note of his reg?
My Son and his mates tend to meet at the sports centre on an evening - park their bikes and just sit in the skate park - the officer in question knows them all by name (not in a bad way)!!He knows which bike belongs to who, my Son has never been pulled over whilst riding.
I've seen some of these "little sweethearts" not doing nuffin guv and as far as I'm concerned the sooner they get Sec59's the better. If you want to go the anti social behaviour route then do it outside your own house.....not mine.
If he's with a group of oiks, messing about then he deserves it. Perhaps he'll learn it's not right and keep away in future; ergo, the Sec 59 has done it's job.
If he's with a group of oiks, messing about then he deserves it. Perhaps he'll learn it's not right and keep away in future; ergo, the Sec 59 has done it's job.
Snowboy said:
At a guess it would be something like the idea of being an accessory or being compliant in the 'offence'.
If he's part of the group of kuds that's being pesky then he's going to get a warning for being pesky - even if he wasn't actually being pesky at that moment.
If he's part of the group of kuds that's being pesky then he's going to get a warning for being pesky - even if he wasn't actually being pesky at that moment.
I thought we nailed 'guilty by association' and 'flying with crows' in this thread:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
That's like saying all police officers are the same surely? Just because there are a few bad apples all of the other police officers that wear the same uniform must by association be bent?
You are SpitfireMk3 and I claim my free prize.
SarahL75 said:
73mark said:
The time before did the police officer pull the boy over and have a word or just take note of his reg?
My Son and his mates tend to meet at the sports centre on an evening - park their bikes and just sit in the skate park - the officer in question knows them all by name (not in a bad way)!!He knows which bike belongs to who, my Son has never been pulled over whilst riding.
Snowboy said:
At a guess it would be something like the idea of being an accessory or being compliant in the 'offence'.
If he's part of the group of kuds that's being pesky then he's going to get a warning for being pesky - even if he wasn't actually being pesky at that moment.
His older Brother was pesky with this officer for years before he finally grew up, the younger one is now suffering from having the same surname I think, sadly being tarnished with the same brush.If he's part of the group of kuds that's being pesky then he's going to get a warning for being pesky - even if he wasn't actually being pesky at that moment.
I just wanted to know the eaxct rule about when a S59 can be issued??
SarahL75 said:
Yes - he's telling the truth but I wasn't sure at the time!
I went to the station and asked to talk with the officer who issued the S59, he said that he was stood next to his bike and was doing nothing wrong (but others in the group were) He said he issued the S59 because of a previous time he had seen him riding stupidly, he insisted he can issue it up to 12 months after the offence, that might be right, I'm just not convinced.
Not familiar with the paperwork, but surely there should be some reference on the S59 to the date of the offence? Is it the date the ticket was issued, or the date of this previous act?I went to the station and asked to talk with the officer who issued the S59, he said that he was stood next to his bike and was doing nothing wrong (but others in the group were) He said he issued the S59 because of a previous time he had seen him riding stupidly, he insisted he can issue it up to 12 months after the offence, that might be right, I'm just not convinced.
http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2010/07/15/what-is-a-sect...
It seems that wide ranging that I could drift a bendy bus through it without being Chris Harris.
It seems that wide ranging that I could drift a bendy bus through it without being Chris Harris.
Denis O said:
I've seen some of these "little sweethearts" not doing nuffin guv and as far as I'm concerned the sooner they get Sec59's the better. If you want to go the anti social behaviour route then do it outside your own house.....not mine.
If he's with a group of oiks, messing about then he deserves it. Perhaps he'll learn it's not right and keep away in future; ergo, the Sec 59 has done it's job.
When I questioned the officer about whether he was being a nuisance he said no, not at all. He was issued the 59 because he had previously seen him riding like an idiot.If he's with a group of oiks, messing about then he deserves it. Perhaps he'll learn it's not right and keep away in future; ergo, the Sec 59 has done it's job.
As a responsible parent then yes if he was being stupid and annoying others I would want him dealt with and taught a lesson but he has this S59 for the next 12 months and it's worrying. If he was doing nothing wrong to get it first time around they could seize his bike in the future.
Hackney said:
Not familiar with the paperwork, but surely there should be some reference on the S59 to the date of the offence? Is it the date the ticket was issued, or the date of this previous act?
The date on the 59 is the evening he was stood next to his bike. Others in the group were also issued with them at the same time.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff