Not The "Urgent - Update To Queens Speech" Thread

[diesel ed]

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Flat in Fifth said:

As towman (repeat after me; towman NOT toerag)

Pay attention - I was returning the compliment, NOT using his name.

Flat in Fifth said:

points out shift workers another example, not forgetting people who might be working odd hours in different time zones.

You mean I'm not the only one who works strange hours and/or strange places. Pay attention - I was highlighting the fact that rather a large number of people seem to have nothing better to do mid-afternoon that extract the michael.

Flat in Fifth said:

Open up your limited mind.

No, it's diesel ed, NOT limited mind. Pay attention.

Flat in Fifth said:

So messing about in a light hearted way

Ahhhh! So that's what they were doing. With a bit of practice on their part and a few subtle hints I might eventually get the joke.

Flat in Fifth said:

is frowned upon is it?

Nothing wrong with messing about in a light hearted way. I'm sure that gone, towman, and their ilk will agree. Do they do it on the hard shoulder, and the custody suite too? But I'll tell you what - I bet Alastair Darling and Blunkett and their Ilk agree with you ever more than they and I do. I bet they were breathing a sigh of relief when their staff reported that not only was there no serious major opposition to their new proposals, but in fact, rather than motorists taking a keen interest in matters political and legal, they were far more interested in an altogether different Ilk.

Flat in Fifth said:

Gassing station is a bit like a virtual pub. Like in real pub there is a cross section of society, not a total spectrum but parts of it.

Yeah. You mean you get the guardianistas in one corner. In another the sandalistas. In yet another, a few loony right wingers who want to do outrageous things like not pour their money down the drain, not work more hours to support the feckless work shy parasitic leeches, than they do to fund their retirement income, health cover, kids education and the real needy, and, shock, horror, complain about the people directly and indirectly sucking them dry having the bare faced cheek to actually put physical and legal barriers to them trying to work and live their pack horse lives.

Oh, and then you have the other corner, by the door to the Ladies, full of drunken lads harassing any passing female and mercilessly taking the piss out of anyone not in their crowd, especially if their minds are too narrow to encompass the full breadth of page 3 as their daily diet of "news".

Flat in Fifth said:

Ever noticed in a real pub or other regular meeting place there are some people who wouldn't sit at one end of the bar because some boring old fart sits down there and drones on. Equally there are others who don't mix with the football obsessed group because it doesn't interest them and they'd rather talk about cricket, or the telly, or chicks or whatever. If you find the discussion too serious / light then sit on another table, simple; job done and sorted. If I and others want to have a laugh, then providing Ted doesn't object then that is OK. Others have discussions serious and light hearted about subjects that personally I find deadly tedious, or maybe think "How silly" or "Yuk, how unpleasant." However I don't bore into the discussion and start providing links to my own and other threads all over the place and killing a conversation that others find interesting by trying to divert it onto my own agenda regardless of how worthy or correct that other thread is. Yet you do it all the time, leopards - spots, seen it done before on here and elsewhere. (BTW having seen how you operate before you start being a smartass and quoting left right and centre I can tell you I linked to another thread of mine the other day because I wanted to hear Tonyrec's respected opinion re PCSO's from his parallel thread.)

Sorry, but I USED to have some respect for you. The I saw you join in the Ilk threads. And now this! And you have the cheek to suggest that I should -

Flat in Fifth said:

Open up your limited mind.

Try this one - next time you have nothing better to do than take the p!ss in an Ilk thread, try popping into a pub and observe some of the characters there. Like the one who, on seeing a group sitting down having a serious conversation insists on barging in and taking the p!ss.

And then watch, when the p!ss artist won't leave them alone, they move to another area to have their serious converation.

Only for him to follow.

Once you've broadened your mind enough to stretch your head enough to accomodate binocular vision, you might stop seeing things so one dimensionally.

In case you hadn't noticed - I Was the one who started a discussion, and it was MY discussion into which your little Ilk friends who -

Flat in Fifth said:

find the discussion too serious

But who refuse to -

Flat in Fifth said:

then sit on another table, simple; job done and sorted

But, instead -

Flat in Fifth said:

start providing links to my own and other threads all over the place and killing a conversation that others find interesting by trying to divert it onto my own agenda regardless of how worthy or correct that other thread is.

The classic example was that Bogush thread I found when you got me mixed up with the last person your broad minded Ilk friends ran out of town. There he is, trying to re start (again?) his thread and again

Flat in Fifth said:

some boring old fart sits down there and drones on. Equally there are others who don't mix with the .... obsessed group because it doesn't interest them and they'd rather talk about cricket, or the telly, or chicks or whatever.

But if they -

Flat in Fifth said:

find the discussion too serious

WON'T

Flat in Fifth said:

then sit on another table, simple; job done and sorted.

But insist on their "right" to -

Flat in Fifth said:

bore into the discussion and start providing links to

8Pack said:

The Queens Peach? ......

and other such relevant contributions.

Do you share the same ocular impediment as Blunkett? If not - try reading threads and posts before commenting. Hint, it's only the same kind of manners as not barging into someone else's conversation in the pub uninvited, never mind barging in to take the p!ss out of the people trying to have a serious converation.

Oh, and as for -

Flat in Fifth said:

killing a conversation that others find interesting by trying to divert it onto my own agenda regardless of how worthy or correct that other thread is

Would you like to tell me what, exactly, you think your Ilk are doing when they contribute to my threads?

And -

Flat in Fifth said:

Yet you do it all the time, leopards - spots, seen it done before on here and elsewhere. (BTW having seen how you operate before you start being a smartass and quoting left right and centre

Before you raise the fact that I, shock, horror, contribute to other people's threads - I contribute. If someone starts a thread on a particular topic, they are inviting comment and debate on that topic. And that is what I try to do. If I raise a thread on a particular topic, I am inviting comment and debate on that topic. NOT a barrage of insults and mickey taking.

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>> Edited by diesel ed on Wednesday 1st December 22:45

[diesel ed]

Flat in Fifth tried to help the Ilk to hijack the

Urgent - Update To Queens Speech thread

With a post "discussing" my posting patterns and habits.

So as not to take that thread even further off topic, I shall reply to his post there here -

[diesel ed]

References

Urgent - Update To Queens Speech - Author diesel ed

A Simple Question For Gone, Towman, and their Ilk - Author diesel ed

Non Speed Related Law Question For Plod - Author diesel ed


The time is coming for a camera destruction derby.



Oh, and mustn't forget the classics -

The New HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ

Has Anyone Actually Bothered To Read "All The Way"





Lookee here, see what I've found, there really is nothing new in the world! -

Message For Ted:

Can I suggest you put "Bogush" into search if you're seriously interested in broadening your mind!





Jesus H Christ

Or even this! -Which Are Safer: Hospitals Or Roads?





I can't take any more - I'll leave you to carry on searching yourself!

[8Pack]

diesel ed said:

8Pack said: The Queens Peach? ...... and other such relevant contributions. Do you share the same ocular impediment as Blunkett? If not - try reading threads and posts before commenting. Hint, it's only the same kind of manners as not barging into someone else's conversation in the pub uninvited, never mind barging in to take the p!ss out of the people trying to have a serious converation.

I take it that's a NO then Ed, No room in your world for humour. God! You wouldn't last 5 minutes where I work AND we still manage to do a serious responsible
job. Your world must be very grey, lighten up, and see the sun.

[diesel ed]

8Pack said:

I take it that's a NO then Ed, No room in your world for humour. God!

Lots actually.

8Pack said:

You wouldn't last 5 minutes where I work AND we still manage to do a serious responsible job.

So do we. But do you go and scribble jokes all over each other's reports and letters? Do you insert "schoolboy" humour into their presentations after their final rehersal? Do you, ha, ha, ha, let the tyres down when they are off to an urgent meeting or even, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho cut their brake pipes? How about switching the contents of of an oxygen cyclinder, he, he, he, he, he. Or even take the safeguards out of dangerous or life-saving kit, har, har, har, har, har!

Oh, and when someone is telling a client how wonderful your team is, do you make silly "V" signs behind their heads, and do the coffee-shake, before telling the client that, actually, he'd be better off going to a competitor?

8Pack said:

Your world must be very grey, lighten up, and see the sun.

And can I respectfully suggest you need some as you have obviously either been dazzled by my brilliance or blinded by too much sun. Either way - you aren't seeing my point.

Try following some of the links.

[8Pack]

OK! OK! Ed. None to any of the above you accuse me of, OK?. Note to self: "Leave Ed alone, whether being serious or not, he wants to be alone". bye Ed.

[diesel ed]

8Pack said:

OK! OK! Ed. None to any of the above you accuse me of, OK?.

People accuse me of having no sense of humour. Perhaps I should work my way up to understanding it in easy stages. Perhaps by working out what "do you?" means.

8Pack said:

Note to self: "Leave Ed alone, whether being serious or not, he wants to be alone". bye Ed.

There's a time and a place for most things.

But not usually for mercilless micky-taking.

In a totally inappropriate thread.

[diesel ed]

8Pack said:

I take it that's a NO then Ed, No room in your world for humour. God! You wouldn't last 5 minutes where I work AND we still manage to do a serious responsible job. Your world must be very grey, lighten up, and see the sun.

But if you really want to see po-faced toys out of the pram total sense of humour failure try -

The New HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ

[8Pack]

Oh! Do stop chewing on it D/Ed, You're making yourself look silly. DEFINATELY this time, the last post!

Ted! Time to close the thread, Ta!

>> Edited by 8Pack on Thursday 2nd December 03:22

[swilly]

I am glad to see you have decided to start up your own "stroke my ego" thread.

Saves filling up other threads with such dross.

[towman]

Gotcha Bogush.

Leave enough bait on the bridge, and eventually the troll gets hungry.

Love and Kisses

Toerag

[Flat in Fifth]

Clearly you diesel ed need help, take heed of the following friendly comment and advice or not. I'm not going to take the pee nor rant.

Firstly I'll respond to everything you have posted above that is worthy of an answer.

diesel ed said:

There, soon sorted that one. And yes that is a serious answer in case you wondered.

You know I used to have some respect for you too, but you have been told on here about the confrontational style turning some people off and that it often prevents or hinders you getting a message across which has some merit. Heard that somewhere before haven't we?

This other person whose name begins with b was also given a similar message on this forum, and on another one. Possible resistance to learning here.

You are serious about getting your point across, that is fine, free speech and all that. With free speech comes responsibility however.

Have you in your diesel ed persona, and possibly in other multiple identities, (don't know don't care) noticed the number of times someone opens up a response to one of your posts with "I know I'm going to regret this but....." you got one the other day from stresseddave, a very objective reasoned contributor.

If he thinks like that, what about the more volatile?

Doesn't that tell you something? It means that there are a lot of people out there who won't answer your points.

It means that the very thing you are trying to promote, namely discussion, is being stifled by the very way you discuss.

What happens then is that you are increasingly ignored, not for the reasons you think actually. Some unfortunately turn you into a laughing stock, and sadly that is what you are becoming.

I really don't care if you are bogush or not.

Funnily enough for the record on another forum that individual was banned and came back under another id. When the style was clocked and someone, not me btw, pointed out the possibility of the new identity the response was remarkably similar to your response under the same circumstances here. It was proved by IP address traces that the individual was posting under multiple identities and therefore in my mind and that of others guilty of being economical with the truth. I'll stop short of using the L word.

Friendly advice, take it or leave it. You have some good points, sometimes obscure but fair enough. Equally some points are utter utter trash, but if they are your opinion fair enough.

Just chill and perhaps you'll get your message across somewhat better.

[Dibble]

Seconded.

[diesel ed]

Flat in Fifth said:

Clearly you diesel ed need help, take heed of the following friendly comment and advice or not. I'm not going to take the pee nor rant. Firstly I'll respond to everything you have posted above that is worthy of an answer. diesel ed said:

So, that's how not to take the pee! Count the patronising comments, and the insults in that! I'll try not to copy your style.

So, tell me, when someone posts a serious question and gets loadsa silly responses, piss takes and insults, that's my fault, is it? Down to me? When someone posts a post defending motorists and the "motorists" rip him apart then that's his own fault, after all, he's "preaching to the converted" isn't he?

But I'm not referring to myself there, but to others I've seen get exactly the same treatment as I have received. And reviewing Mr Bogush's posts I note he's seen people getting slaughtered by the Ilk, dived in to defend them from the bullies, and get a good kicking himself.

Only recently I posted a warning to love machine in The time is coming for a camera destruction derby. Only for the Ilk to horn their way in and start hi-jacking his thread, taking the piss out of him and his post, polluting his thread with Ilk postings, and discussing Left handed lesbian trombonist asylum seekers for some perverse reason.

Comments please!

I also started the NOT Time is coming for cam destruct'n derby threadto respond to an off topic post addressed to me on that thread to try to prevent it deteriorating further. I didn't work of course. Is that down to me? Or the Ilk, who, of course also corrupted the new thread as well as continuing to corrupt the old one?

Comments please!

You keep accusing me of being a bully. Let's see -

a) I try to make my point and stand my ground.

b) I try to defend others who are trying to make their point.

c) Others try to drown my on topic posts with off topic garbage.

d) Others try to drown out other people's on topic posts with off topic garbage.

e) People seem to want to get rid of me.

And I'm the bully!?!?

It's true what they say - if you stand up to a bully they usually run crying to teacher!

Now, who did that?

A few other points -

a) confrontational style turning some people off/ Possible resistance to learning here/ With free speech comes responsibility however.

I hope you're not referring to me!

Try reading the threads (I know, I'm copying that from your mate's classic thread!). I suppose it's a bit like motoring. People complain about all the terrible speedophile motorists. But there are hardly any. It's just that you only notice those. Try reading the threads until you spot my first "confrontational" post. Then backtrack and see how many preceeded it. And then go forward again and see why I've finally become confrontational!


b) Stressed Dave

Oops, perhaps I'm autistic, or something (like a sociopath? , or a psychopath? )

Where did he become stressed? I thought we were just having a good debate!

(Or was he "Stressed Dave" to start with?)


c) With free speech comes responsibility however.

Like keeping myself to myself on my own threads you mean? And only posting on relevant threads? And trying not to rise to the incessant bait and insults? And not degrading every Speed, Plod and the Law thread with garbage which would be an insult, never mind totally off topic, on General Gassing or The Pie and Piston? You mentioned your right to have a laugh on another thread. What about your responsibility to refrain from having a laugh on serious threads on serious forums and finding a more appropriate one to post on? Or is it just that you find General Gassing and The Pie and Piston too serious for you?

Towman once mentioned something similar, might have been on your mate's final thread. Something about not coming to the SP&L forum for homework but to enjoy himself.

His idea of fun? -

towman said:

Sorry to say, I used to play this game when out shopping with Mrs T. I`d either get bored or start putting unhealthy, expensive stuff in our trolley, so she`d send me off to play. After getting bored (again) with the usual........ Putting stuff in other peoples trolleys Taking stuff out of other peoples trolleys Moving other peoples trolleys etc etc etc I would go to the car park, scoping for the "front door haunters", wait until someone had seen me walking towards my car and then just as they pull up waiting for the vacant space, open the car, get my smokes out and stroll off. Hours of fun. Steve

One of your Ilk?

And I'm the one who needs help, doesn't deserve respect, has a possible resistance to learning, is a a laughing stock........

Two final points before I end yet another (totally uncalled for?) rant -

a) economical with the truth. I'll stop short of using the L word.....

If someone asked you have you had an affair with "Mrs X" would you tell the truth and say "Yes, I am happy to confirm and make public the fact that "Mrs X" has been committing adultery with me and that "Mr X" is a cuckold" ?

b) Your hangups with links

Why?

I get the impression that you are a technical bloke. When you read a technical paper or report do you tippex out all the references first just to make life more interesting?!

>> Edited by diesel ed on Friday 3rd December 00:20

[towman]

It`s gone far enough mate. Time to call it a day. I don`t want to see you kicked off, so just forget about it.

Steve

PS. I haven`t bothered reading the above, so just leave it eh?

[Flat in Fifth]

I refer the "honourable" gentleman to my previous answer.

[Mrs Fish]

Bloody hell DieselEd - you have far too much time on your hands. I can't be bothered reading any of your stuff due to the enormous amount of it, I have better ways of spending my time.

Perhaps you should listen to what is being told to you, and maybe then you won't spend your time posting stuff no one is bothered about.

[diesel ed]

I wasn't going to rise to the bait, I'm obviously a fish out of water here. But I'll try, just this onece, against my nature, to respond in a single sentence -

Exactly how many posts is that now "analysing" me and my style by people who admit to not having actually read my posts, and even to not wanting to read my threads?

[PetrolTed]

Sounds familiar

[gh0st]

diesel ed said:

I wasn't going to rise to the bait, I'm obviously a fish out of water here. But I'll try, just this onece, against my nature, to respond in a single sentence - Exactly how many posts is that now "analysing" me and my style by people who admit to not having actually read my posts, and even to not wanting to read my threads?

Well I think that



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