Sleeping Driver.. Just a curious one...
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Today, there was an accident on the M25 around J9, fortunately it looked just a mess rather than anything serious, and I was actually going the other way....
However, a mile or so back in the queue, I could see vehicles manoeuvring around a stationary vehicle in lane 4, I initially thought a broken down car or a rear-ender....but as I passed the driver appeared to be asleep (or maybe a medical episode)....
Assuming it was the sleeping part, and the fact it was stationary traffic, what offence would have been committed, if any..
- Driving while unfit through <something>
- Due car and attention
- Careless driving
- Dangerous driving
However, a mile or so back in the queue, I could see vehicles manoeuvring around a stationary vehicle in lane 4, I initially thought a broken down car or a rear-ender....but as I passed the driver appeared to be asleep (or maybe a medical episode)....
Assuming it was the sleeping part, and the fact it was stationary traffic, what offence would have been committed, if any..
- Driving while unfit through <something>
- Due car and attention
- Careless driving
- Dangerous driving
Grandad7184 said:
Surely anyone with a bit common sense would check the driver. Maybe a knock or toot of the horn?
You would have thought so.... but, hey, this was 06:30 on a Monday morning, people probably already been stuck for a good amount of time (hence sleepy driver) so a lot of people would just think "F'k you, outta my way!"....Just to add though, a further 300yds back there was a fast response paramedic car (just cruising, no lights or trying to "make progress") so if it was medical, at least help would have been there soon.
Riley Blue said:
It's not difficult to believe drivers would ignore this, just as *some* pedestrians would walk round someone collapsed on the pavement - shocking but that's the age we live in. I'd at least have sounded my horn or phoned it in depending on what I'd seen.
You mean "all" surely. I've stopped to help someone who collapsed in the street and had to physically accost someone else to get them to phone for help while I tried to work out where the guy was bleeding from. Turned out he wasn't bleeding, he'd just smashed a bottle of red wine in his backpack when he fell (he was unconscious so I couldn't ask him). But well dressed normal looking man collapsing + signs of blood = step over him.
You wouldnt want to be stationary in Lane 4 for long irrespective of the reason once traffic starts moving. Its amazing how quickly it suddenly starts moving fast and you can be sure someone would pile into you very quickly indeed.
So if you break down in those circumstances get oiut the car and move to a save place.
And to answer the OP would Driving without Due Care cover it? Probably an offence to be stop on a motorway with no reason too.
So if you break down in those circumstances get oiut the car and move to a save place.
And to answer the OP would Driving without Due Care cover it? Probably an offence to be stop on a motorway with no reason too.
Seen it before after a queue near the QE2 bridge. I gave him a good hoot but he didn't stir.
M25 this morning, if it was the accident I got stuck in the queue of it was an Artic into the back of a Mk4 Fiesta. They would have been very lucky to get out of that without very serious injury. Boot up to front seat backs.
M25 this morning, if it was the accident I got stuck in the queue of it was an Artic into the back of a Mk4 Fiesta. They would have been very lucky to get out of that without very serious injury. Boot up to front seat backs.
Riley Blue said:
It's not difficult to believe drivers would ignore this, just as some pedestrians would walk round someone collapsed on the pavement - shocking but that's the age we live in. I'd at least have sounded my horn or phoned it in depending on what I'd seen.
On the First Aid course I was on last month, they showed a video shot on the London Underground of a man who collapses near the doors on a tube train. Passengers see him fall and look on. Then step over him to get off the train. Other passengers step over him to get on the train. A guard comes and takes a look, then wanders off. Eventually a passenger arrives who actually bothers to find out what is wrong and begins basic first aid.We were told that it was a real video and not staged. Which rather begs the question of what the feck the person recording the video was thinking, but hey ho. So the moral of the story is, don't have a heart attack on the Underground or a queue of traffic on the M25.
Riley Blue said:
It's not difficult to believe drivers would ignore this, just as some pedestrians would walk round someone collapsed on the pavement - shocking but that's the age we live in. I'd at least have sounded my horn or phoned it in depending on what I'd seen.
Bystander effect in action usually.Siscar said:
I stopped at an accident a few months ago where a car had left the A38 just north of Derby and it was amazing how many others stopped as well, it became a full role for one person to tell others that it was ok, they could keep going.
That's the Up North effect"..............all nosy buggersruff'n'smov said:
Siscar said:
I stopped at an accident a few months ago where a car had left the A38 just north of Derby and it was amazing how many others stopped as well, it became a full role for one person to tell others that it was ok, they could keep going.
That's the Up North effect"..............all nosy buggersRiley Blue said:
It's not difficult to believe drivers would ignore this, just as some pedestrians would walk round someone collapsed on the pavement - shocking but that's the age we live in. I'd at least have sounded my horn or phoned it in depending on what I'd seen.
However..... Getting out of your car on a moving motorway is illegal, dangerous, open to causing more congestion AND highly embarrassing (daft, but true...). IMO it is quite a bit different then stepping over someone on the pavement. I would have at least slowed down and blasted the horn as best I could, then called the emergency services if he didn't stir. That being said, if the traffic is moving I wouldn't be hanging round putting myself at risk of being driven into.Andehh said:
However..... Getting out of your car on a moving motorway is illegal, dangerous, open to causing more congestion AND highly embarrassing (daft, but true...). IMO it is quite a bit different then stepping over someone on the pavement. I would have at least slowed down and blasted the horn as best I could, then called the emergency services if he didn't stir. That being said, if the traffic is moving I wouldn't be hanging round putting myself at risk of being driven into.
Oh right. f
k the person having a heart attack in his car.. It's illegal to get out on a motorway and may cause congestion. 
Andehh said:
Riley Blue said:
It's not difficult to believe drivers would ignore this, just as some pedestrians would walk round someone collapsed on the pavement - shocking but that's the age we live in. I'd at least have sounded my horn or phoned it in depending on what I'd seen.
However..... Getting out of your car on a moving motorway is illegal, dangerous, open to causing more congestion AND highly embarrassing (daft, but true...). IMO it is quite a bit different then stepping over someone on the pavement. I would have at least slowed down and blasted the horn as best I could, then called the emergency services if he didn't stir. That being said, if the traffic is moving I wouldn't be hanging round putting myself at risk of being driven into.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff