Change in number plate law?
Discussion
Until now, I beleive the maximum penalty for not having a front or rear number plate fitted was £30 each, or £60 the pair. And NO points (hooray!).
however, I read a snippet in the road safety bill that mentioned something about changing the law in this regard. Anyone have any further details?
however, I read a snippet in the road safety bill that mentioned something about changing the law in this regard. Anyone have any further details?
aww999 said:
Do you get a lot of it then?
Not as much as you'd imagine, but the potential is very real.
It's also too much of a balance change between a ban and a big fine for 100mph+, compared with £30 fine for no plate....In some ways, it's not fare to the people who toe the line with proper plates.
Street
Its another typical example of droncian laws being introduced by the vindicative and jelous launtics that the muppets of this country keep voting in. While new labia continue to keep millions on state handouts they have a near unassible voting majority.
Particular snippets
1) Opening up of your driving record details to anyone
2) Civilians giving the ability to stop vehicles
3) Civilians giving the ability to issue FPN
4) Removing the need for an accurate blood test for DD, instead just use the breath test.
5) Graduated speeding fines which are in fact a several tighting of rules resulting in 2pts for a few miles over the limit and 6pts for 95mph on a motorway
6) the banning of devices which confirm where active speed camera are
7) Increase in penalty on a range of offences such as careless driving.
8) Increase to 6pts for S172 offences (failing to name driver)
9) Ability to force drivers not holding the latest stazi ID card to surround at their cost their licence and apply for a replacement.
10) Ability to store any information with limitation on the vehicle and person keeping the vehicle
11) The right to release the information to any country any where in the world without limitation as to reason why
12) As always with new labia bills it also grants the right for the government to change any part of the act without having to come before parliment.
The only half decent thing I can find in the whole bill appears to be the removal of the right of police officers to exceed the speed limit unless they have been trained for high speed driving or are under training.
Particular snippets
1) Opening up of your driving record details to anyone
2) Civilians giving the ability to stop vehicles
3) Civilians giving the ability to issue FPN
4) Removing the need for an accurate blood test for DD, instead just use the breath test.
5) Graduated speeding fines which are in fact a several tighting of rules resulting in 2pts for a few miles over the limit and 6pts for 95mph on a motorway
6) the banning of devices which confirm where active speed camera are
7) Increase in penalty on a range of offences such as careless driving.
8) Increase to 6pts for S172 offences (failing to name driver)
9) Ability to force drivers not holding the latest stazi ID card to surround at their cost their licence and apply for a replacement.
10) Ability to store any information with limitation on the vehicle and person keeping the vehicle
11) The right to release the information to any country any where in the world without limitation as to reason why
12) As always with new labia bills it also grants the right for the government to change any part of the act without having to come before parliment.
The only half decent thing I can find in the whole bill appears to be the removal of the right of police officers to exceed the speed limit unless they have been trained for high speed driving or are under training.
bluepolarbear said:
The only half decent thing I can find in the whole bill appears to be the removal of the right of police officers to exceed the speed limit unless they have been trained for high speed driving or are under training.
In my force only 20% of drivers hold 'class 1 advanced' certificates and that figure is getting lower.
95% of 'beat bobbies' who respond to burglaries, thefts, fights in the town, muggings etc are 'standard police drivers' and therefore wouldn't be able to exceed the speed limit.
Best of luck, general public, till the police get there...
And no bollox about "it's like that now" as I know the majority of beat bobbies in my force regularly 'bend the rules' and try to get to people as fast as possible to deliver the service they would want to recieve themselves..
Street
Streetcop said:
And no bollox about "it's like that now" as I know the majority of beat bobbies in my force regularly 'bend the rules' and try to get to people as fast as possible to deliver the service they would want to recieve themselves..
Street
and regularly killing people in the process at a rate for in excess of statistical norm.
The answer is more BiB, properly trained with the right equipment but it all sounds like too much hard work for new labia on the majority of egotistical Chief Constables.
bluepolarbear said:
Its another typical example of droncian laws being introduced by the vindicative and jelous launtics that the muppets of this country keep voting in. While new labia continue to keep millions on state handouts they have a near unassible voting majority.
Particular snippets
1) Opening up of your driving record details to anyone
2) Civilians giving the ability to stop vehicles
3) Civilians giving the ability to issue FPN
4) Removing the need for an accurate blood test for DD, instead just use the breath test.
5) Graduated speeding fines which are in fact a several tighting of rules resulting in 2pts for a few miles over the limit and 6pts for 95mph on a motorway
6) the banning of devices which confirm where active speed camera are
7) Increase in penalty on a range of offences such as careless driving.
8) Increase to 6pts for S172 offences (failing to name driver)
9) Ability to force drivers not holding the latest stazi ID card to surround at their cost their licence and apply for a replacement.
10) Ability to store any information with limitation on the vehicle and person keeping the vehicle
11) The right to release the information to any country any where in the world without limitation as to reason why
12) As always with new labia bills it also grants the right for the government to change any part of the act without having to come before parliment.
The only half decent thing I can find in the whole bill appears to be the removal of the right of police officers to exceed the speed limit unless they have been trained for high speed driving or are under training.
I think I could support all of the above if there was law that disallowed driving with an ugly wife ...
>> Edited by LongQ on Sunday 5th December 16:09
Streetcop said:
In my force only 20% of drivers hold 'class 1 advanced' certificates and that figure is getting lower.
95% of 'beat bobbies' who respond to burglaries, thefts, fights in the town, muggings etc are 'standard police drivers' and therefore wouldn't be able to exceed the speed limit.
Best of luck, general public, till the police get there...
Street
Our local cop told my Council that he can exceed the limit by 20 mph in a pursuit but, as he been given a small diesel van for his work, that seems quite irrelevant.
Streetcop said:
Do you get a lot of it then?
Not as much as you'd imagine, but the potential is very real.
It's also too much of a balance change between a ban and a big fine for 100mph+, compared with £30 fine for no plate....In some ways, it's not fare to the people who toe the line with proper plates.
Street
I'm slightly confused by the reference to 'proper plates'. The original point was a change of law for NO plate displayed.
Now a deliberate no plate is surely a rare thing? Whereas lack of plate or partial lack of plate could simply be that the sticky stuff holding it on has given up doing so since a journey started, someone has nicked the plate or someone has damaged the plate in a car park or similar. Given how much more complex it is these days to obtain new plates in the even of any of these scenarios I am really not sure how this can be seen as a serious offense which mighe sassist someone to lose their all to precarious livelihood.
As you say, there are not so many instances. A guess with a PNC and ANPR to play with regular faulters could be dealt with quite rapidly. Or is that made more difficult because of fewer BiB on the streets?
If on the other hand you are referring to 'cherished' plates that's a different matter.
It seems to me rather sad that as a nation we have no sense of fun left. Nor do we recognise the potential benefit of memorable ID's. Personally I favour the anonymity of the current plates which I find entirely unmemorable (and I am sure most feel the same) despite the apparent research undertaken by the team of spotty kids that came up with the format. Allegedly.
In the experience of one person I know the display of a personalised plate and the FPN it resulted in was seen as more important than the dangerous driving of someone else which had nearly caused her to be involved in an accident. All witnessed by a patrol in the early hours of the morning. I guess the FPN paperwork was easier than doing the other driver, who obviously realised he had done something wrong as he stopped when the blues went on some way behind him.
If you are referring to cherished plates, how about also making it illegal for the DVLA to try to profit from sales of what they consider to be 'special' numbers. Clearly to do otherwise would be a conflict of the governments policies ... ah, sorry, forgot, that sort of moral issue has never really troubled this lot has it?
I just know you would SO hate my plate on the bike..... But under the curent system why should I change it?
I'll take the £30 thanks
At least it leaves me free to concentrate on my observation rather than some emasculated failed traffic warden sat in a van trying to snap me so I can fund more scameras
are fair game, no problem there. If I can't spot a battenberg then I probably need the wake up call anyway 
I'll take the £30 thanks
At least it leaves me free to concentrate on my observation rather than some emasculated failed traffic warden sat in a van trying to snap me so I can fund more scameras
are fair game, no problem there. If I can't spot a battenberg then I probably need the wake up call anyway 
BliarOut said:
Absolutely..
I park, side on to the road, in a Volvo V70 estate...blue and yellow battenburg checks all over it, with the pro-laser pointing out of the window and still they don't see me....
Street
I know this is diverging from the point of the thread, but surely even if they DO see you, your laser reading is of the instant the target vehicle comes into view - therefore slamming on the brakes when you see a liveried car is pointless as the speed reading will be taken at about the point that your foot makes intial contact with the brake pedal.
I thought that's how laser speed checks worked anyway!
Another question - if someone comes into view, slams on the anchors in a big ABS nose-diving stop, and THEN you get a speed reading of them (post slowing down) of 55 or 60 in an NSL, would you pull them?
I thought that's how laser speed checks worked anyway!
Another question - if someone comes into view, slams on the anchors in a big ABS nose-diving stop, and THEN you get a speed reading of them (post slowing down) of 55 or 60 in an NSL, would you pull them?
aww999 said:
Another question - if someone comes into view, slams on the anchors in a big ABS nose-diving stop, and THEN you get a speed reading of them (post slowing down) of 55 or 60 in an NSL, would you pull them?
If I record a speed on the laser that I'm intending to deal with them for...I wont repress the trigger....
If I do that and it records a lower speed, I wont stop the vehicle, but instead give it a thumbs down or a stare or whatever. There's no use showing the 'punter' a low figure and telling them they were well above it seconds earlier as they either wont believe you or the point is lost.
As for NSL, it's very rare that I or my dept will do speed checks in a NSL area, unless it's the scene of many RTCs...
Usually 30mph and 40mph get our most attention, as these are the roads that clock up the most serious RTC..(in my force area anyway)...Places like Lincolnshire or Oxfordshire will have the probs in the NSLs
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Sunday 5th December 19:05
Streetcop said:What do you mean by probs?
Usually 30mph and 40mph get our most attention, as these are the roads that clock up the most serious RTC..(in my force area anyway)...Places like Lincolnshire or Oxfordshire will have the probs in the NSLs
Do you mean that the NSL's in these counties are more dangerous, or that the BiB in those counties like to use the laser more frequently in NSL's?
Streetcop said:
Best of luck, general public, till the police get there...
And no bollox about "it's like that now" as I know the majority of beat bobbies in my force regularly 'bend the rules' and try to get to people as fast as possible to deliver the service they would want to recieve themselves..
After all, there might be a householder who tried to defend his home still there to arrest. The scrote will, of course, have legged it long since.
goodlife said:
Usually 30mph and 40mph get our most attention, as these are the roads that clock up the most serious RTC..(in my force area anyway)...Places like Lincolnshire or Oxfordshire will have the probs in the NSLs
What do you mean by probs?
Do you mean that the NSL's in these counties are more dangerous, or that the BiB in those counties like to use the laser more frequently in NSL's?
Both probably...
I mean, the majority of fatals in my force is in 40mph and the occasional 30mph...
However, Lincolnshire has the majority in their NSLs due the the geography of their county..
Street
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