so i purchased a new car, not sure if it has MOT?
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hello, so yesterday i decided i need a more sensible car that gets sensible mileage. So i went and purchased a skoda octavia diesel.
The seller said the car has just recently had a new engine and showed me a receipt for £3000 from a local garage. I'm no mechanic but the engine did look new, as well as driving nicely. Anyway to condense the story, I did end up purchasing the car, it was listed as having an MOT until 07/2015 however I forgot to pickup the fresh MOT from the seller, he said it had just been done (within last couple of days)
obviously when I got home I gave him a call and requested it to be sent to me, as I would need it to buy tax. he said would get back in touch after hes was done working (couple hours) and i never heard from him again.
now I did an MOT check on directgov to see if it was showing up, it says the last mot finished in 2012, which did correlate with the story he was telling me about the car engine dieing around 2012/13 and only just getting it sorted due to the price.
So my question is, could the directgov website not be up to date, and the car is actually MOTed? since the MOT was so fresh, maybe it takes a few days to update?
Or is it likely the car has no MOT?
please no unhelpful comments "you are an idiot for buying without seeing the MOT certificate" as now i obviously know that.
-Matt
The seller said the car has just recently had a new engine and showed me a receipt for £3000 from a local garage. I'm no mechanic but the engine did look new, as well as driving nicely. Anyway to condense the story, I did end up purchasing the car, it was listed as having an MOT until 07/2015 however I forgot to pickup the fresh MOT from the seller, he said it had just been done (within last couple of days)
obviously when I got home I gave him a call and requested it to be sent to me, as I would need it to buy tax. he said would get back in touch after hes was done working (couple hours) and i never heard from him again.
now I did an MOT check on directgov to see if it was showing up, it says the last mot finished in 2012, which did correlate with the story he was telling me about the car engine dieing around 2012/13 and only just getting it sorted due to the price.
So my question is, could the directgov website not be up to date, and the car is actually MOTed? since the MOT was so fresh, maybe it takes a few days to update?
Or is it likely the car has no MOT?
please no unhelpful comments "you are an idiot for buying without seeing the MOT certificate" as now i obviously know that.
-Matt
Edited by lixah on Sunday 29th June 11:01
No need.
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle
All you need is the registration number and V5 docref.
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle
All you need is the registration number and V5 docref.
davepoth said:
No need.
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle
All you need is the registration number and V5 docref.
Like I said, i did that, and it shows the last MOT ran out in 2012https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle
All you need is the registration number and V5 docref.
lixah said:
davepoth said:
No need.
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle
All you need is the registration number and V5 docref.
Like I said, i did that, and it shows the last MOT ran out in 2012https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-status
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history-vehicle
All you need is the registration number and V5 docref.
The worry I'd have is that if he spent £3000 on a new engine, why wouldn't he have spent £50 putting it through an MOT? Unless he did and it failed with significant repair costs...
As has been said above if it's not on the website as MOT'd, then it doesn't have one, since as far as I know you have to communicate with the DVLA's servers to get the printout, etc.
As has been said above if it's not on the website as MOT'd, then it doesn't have one, since as far as I know you have to communicate with the DVLA's servers to get the printout, etc.
Thanks for all the answers. It looks like the best option would just be take it to get it tested and see what the results are.
If i give my reg etc to the MOT place i assume they will tell me if its showing as MOT'd too.
I don't like to judge people based on appearances, but the guy i bought it off was also selling Bentley GT and also had a couple of brand new range rover's in the garage.
It was a huge gated property, so it seems strange to me someone like that would be trying to cheat someone out of a few quid, and also saying that they seemed like a genuine person.
The story i was told was; the car belonged to someone he [the dealer] knew, who put a large sum of money into putting a new engine into it after the old one quit, and didn't have enough money to finish the project, who then sold it to the dealer i purchased it off, (who finalized the engine installation etc) and ultimately sold it to me.
If i give my reg etc to the MOT place i assume they will tell me if its showing as MOT'd too.
I don't like to judge people based on appearances, but the guy i bought it off was also selling Bentley GT and also had a couple of brand new range rover's in the garage.
It was a huge gated property, so it seems strange to me someone like that would be trying to cheat someone out of a few quid, and also saying that they seemed like a genuine person.
The story i was told was; the car belonged to someone he [the dealer] knew, who put a large sum of money into putting a new engine into it after the old one quit, and didn't have enough money to finish the project, who then sold it to the dealer i purchased it off, (who finalized the engine installation etc) and ultimately sold it to me.
Retroman said:
I'd contact whoever sold it to you and ask them to MOT it as you purchased it on the basis of it having one.
That way if it fails on anything they'll have to fix it instead of you.
Indeed. Given the apparent variable approach of the seller I fear the OP may have trouble with getting this corrected. If the vendor deliberately lied about the MOT to get rid of the car then that must question the validity of the "new engine" claimed to have been fitted. Let us hope that the OP is able to get the car Mot'd and paid for by the vendor and that the engine has been replaced. Regrettably I fear that may not be the case. Court action is a possibility but does the OP have any correspondance or paperwork confirming in writing any of the statements? I fear he does not. I do hope that this is not an expensive lesson for the OP.That way if it fails on anything they'll have to fix it instead of you.
lixah said:
Thanks for all the answers. It looks like the best option would just be take it to get it tested and see what the results are.
If i give my reg etc to the MOT place i assume they will tell me if its showing as MOT'd too.
Just to add - it's the same system that you have access to - so if it's not showing on the public portal, then it (probably) doesn't have one.If i give my reg etc to the MOT place i assume they will tell me if its showing as MOT'd too.
Thank you to all the replies. I did actually print out the advert that i answered from ebay, as it is still listed there. It does state MOT until July/15 which is strange, since i thought the only way you can have 1 month in advance on an MOT was if you took it to an MOT with <1month left on an old MOT? and since the car was not MOTed after 2012 im not sure how its possible?
At this point in time i don't really have fears that theres anything wrong with the engine or doubt that is was changed. I did manage to track down the company that the receipt points to, (despite the receipt being very vague with no phone number on it) and it looks quite legitimate being a skoda/vw/audi specialist. I will definitely give them a call and see if they can tell me anything about the work they did on the car, as the receipt is only dated 25/06/14 so very recent. I did try giving them a call yesterday but i guess it was too late in the day for anyone to be there.
At this point in time i don't really have fears that theres anything wrong with the engine or doubt that is was changed. I did manage to track down the company that the receipt points to, (despite the receipt being very vague with no phone number on it) and it looks quite legitimate being a skoda/vw/audi specialist. I will definitely give them a call and see if they can tell me anything about the work they did on the car, as the receipt is only dated 25/06/14 so very recent. I did try giving them a call yesterday but i guess it was too late in the day for anyone to be there.
charltjr said:
OP you just said "the dealer" - was this a trader or a private sale? Makes a big difference to how you stand.
i'm not sure, I assume he is classed as a "sole trader?" as the sale was from a private property, however he had trade plates that we used for a test drive, as well as other cars that he said were for sale at his property.but he also mentioned that his father used to sell cars, i'm not sure if he meant from home, at a dealership, or what, i can't remember the exact words used, but in my head i think he said dealership.
I also should mention i've been having trouble getting in touch with the seller since i've been home, i did get through to him yesterday once, when he said he'd give me a call back (never happened) and 2 calls today have gone unanswered (although being sunday im still hopeful)
lixah said:
charltjr said:
OP you just said "the dealer" - was this a trader or a private sale? Makes a big difference to how you stand.
i'm not sure, I assume he is classed as a "sole trader?" as the sale was from a private property, however he had trade plates that we used for a test drive, as well as other cars that he said were for sale at his property.but he also mentioned that his father used to sell cars, i'm not sure if he meant from home, at a dealership, or what, i can't remember the exact words used, but in my head i think he said dealership.
I also should mention i've been having trouble getting in touch with the seller since i've been home, i did get through to him yesterday once, when he said he'd give me a call back (never happened) and 2 calls today have gone unanswered (although being sunday im still hopeful)
He's clearly trading then. Sole trader or not he's still a trader dealing in used cars. The car was advertised with 12 Months MoT and was sold to you with 12 months MoT. The trader should pay put it through an MoT IMO.
To be honest given the hassle it will probably cause I'd stick it in for an MoT and see what happens. If it passes then personally I'd just get on with my life - if not that's a whole different ball game.
To be honest given the hassle it will probably cause I'd stick it in for an MoT and see what happens. If it passes then personally I'd just get on with my life - if not that's a whole different ball game.
charltjr said:
He's clearly trading then. Sole trader or not he's still a trader dealing in used cars. The car was advertised with 12 Months MoT and was sold to you with 12 months MoT. The trader should pay put it through an MoT IMO.
To be honest given the hassle it will probably cause I'd stick it in for an MoT and see what happens. If it passes then personally I'd just get on with my life - if not that's a whole different ball game.
Seems like a reasonable way to proceed although I would be wanting much better documentation on the changed engine as well. Did the vendor get the logbook registered with the change, as is legally required? Somehow I doubt it personally. So that is something else for the buyer to resolve. List just gets longer.To be honest given the hassle it will probably cause I'd stick it in for an MoT and see what happens. If it passes then personally I'd just get on with my life - if not that's a whole different ball game.
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