Rise in injuries on 20 mph limit roads
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Is this because there are too many 20 zones or are they in the wrong places?
Could be both.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...
Could be both.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-ra...
I cannot see the logic of a rise in casualty rate of nigh on 30% being blamed on a lack of change in driver behaviour. If this were so, the casualty rate would stay the same.
Oddly enough, a lot of friends say they only drive into Brighton, with its massive 20mph area, when they have to so one would assume, if that is the norm, traffic density has reduced.
I picked my daughter from the RSCH hospital at Brighton yesterday to bring her home to recuperate from an op. There is no doubt in my mind that speeds had dropped considerably in the 20mph zone. So a rise in accident rates is either from a cause other than the speed limits or else it is caused by the speed limit drop.
Oddly enough, a lot of friends say they only drive into Brighton, with its massive 20mph area, when they have to so one would assume, if that is the norm, traffic density has reduced.
I picked my daughter from the RSCH hospital at Brighton yesterday to bring her home to recuperate from an op. There is no doubt in my mind that speeds had dropped considerably in the 20mph zone. So a rise in accident rates is either from a cause other than the speed limits or else it is caused by the speed limit drop.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
"The number of 20 mph limits increased rapidly in the last few years". It's taking the total injuries form am ever increasing amount of miles limited to 20mph. Of course it will increase.
Measure the injuries on the same stretches of 20 vs 30 then it becomes meaningful.
Oh and the death rate dropped, but that's a throw away comment buried in the text.
"The number of 20 mph limits increased rapidly in the last few years". It's taking the total injuries form am ever increasing amount of miles limited to 20mph. Of course it will increase.
Measure the injuries on the same stretches of 20 vs 30 then it becomes meaningful.
Oh and the death rate dropped, but that's a throw away comment buried in the text.
The accident may well have gone up and that is mostly due to the increased number of 20 limit areas.
What needs to be assessed in the severity of casualties resulting from those accidents. It is preferable to have more accidents and less injury that to have less accidents and more serious injuries.
What needs to be assessed in the severity of casualties resulting from those accidents. It is preferable to have more accidents and less injury that to have less accidents and more serious injuries.
What an incredibly mixed up, pointless article.
There are loads more 20mph roads than there used to be
There are more accidents on 20mph roads
Therefore..... well, therefore nothing. Simple answer is do a like for like analysis.
Have accidents gone up / down / stayed the same on roads that are 20mph but were 30mph?
Have accidents gone up / down / stayed the same on roads that are 20mph and were 20mph before?
That's the only meaningful analysis.
What they've done reported is meaningless.
There are loads more 20mph roads than there used to be
There are more accidents on 20mph roads
Therefore..... well, therefore nothing. Simple answer is do a like for like analysis.
Have accidents gone up / down / stayed the same on roads that are 20mph but were 30mph?
Have accidents gone up / down / stayed the same on roads that are 20mph and were 20mph before?
That's the only meaningful analysis.
What they've done reported is meaningless.
Aretnap said:
I've a great idea - get rid of 20mph limits entirely, and then there'll be no accidents in 20mph limits. Hmmm... maybe I should write for the Telegraph.
I'm with you on this one - there were zero accidents on 100mph limit roads in the UK last year, so lets make that the limit instead...PurpleMoonlight said:
The safer pedestrians perceive the roads to be to cross the less likely they are to actually pay attention before wandering off the pavement.
True.We've had this shared space with a 20 mp/h limit (and average speed camera's) installed on our seafront a few hours ago, and the amount of call outs to this area has definately increased.
Fortunately it's mainly for minor injuries, but people do tend to walk out in front of the cars more now they deem the road safer i believe.
Medic-one said:
True.
We've had this shared space with a 20 mp/h limit (and average speed camera's) installed on our seafront a few hours ago, and the amount of call outs to this area has definately increased.
Fortunately it's mainly for minor injuries, but people do tend to walk out in front of the cars more now they deem the road safer i believe.
I like the principle of shared space, where priority is not determined by one's mode of transport, but I suspect there may be no way of getting to that point without going through a phase where collisions (albeit minor) increase while people get used to what sharing means.We've had this shared space with a 20 mp/h limit (and average speed camera's) installed on our seafront a few hours ago, and the amount of call outs to this area has definately increased.
Fortunately it's mainly for minor injuries, but people do tend to walk out in front of the cars more now they deem the road safer i believe.
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