Model boats weed and spanish shrimps
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Hi Guy's looking for opinions from a legal point of view.
For my Geeky Sins i race RC yachts in Gosport. were there is a purpose built model boating lake, it was built around 100 years ago and the primary function of the lake for those 100 years is a sailing lake.
we currently can not use the lake due to a weed issue which has been a problem for a couple of years now. the club are not allowed to clear the lake or weed. Due to one government advisory organizations, interest in preserving the population of shrimps. Which I am lead to believe are non native and originate from Spain. we also don't know when, by who or why these were introduced or if they even were.
the EV agency, are actually on side as the weed is of no interest to them. As I understand it is also invasive and clogs up water ways around the country.
the council wont play ball, they have allowed for a 'weed cut' but this is a waste of time an money as it grows back in a matter of weeks. and also fills the lake with floating clump's. the club were over the winter granted permission to dye the lake to try an reduce sunlight penetration but this doesn't seem to work as the lake is quite shallow, and there is a limit on the amount of dye we can use.
its one of these farcical episodes of too much bureaucracy, not enough sense. but id like to know if there is anyway to pressure or push for a resolution. at this point my view would be to have the club write to the local MP and copy in the local papers to shame the council into action.
Ive avoided naming and shaming the NGO, not sure if it applies here though.
apologies foe any misspelling and poor gamma I am heavily dyslexic, but always try and make an effort.
Thanks Andy
For my Geeky Sins i race RC yachts in Gosport. were there is a purpose built model boating lake, it was built around 100 years ago and the primary function of the lake for those 100 years is a sailing lake.
we currently can not use the lake due to a weed issue which has been a problem for a couple of years now. the club are not allowed to clear the lake or weed. Due to one government advisory organizations, interest in preserving the population of shrimps. Which I am lead to believe are non native and originate from Spain. we also don't know when, by who or why these were introduced or if they even were.
the EV agency, are actually on side as the weed is of no interest to them. As I understand it is also invasive and clogs up water ways around the country.
the council wont play ball, they have allowed for a 'weed cut' but this is a waste of time an money as it grows back in a matter of weeks. and also fills the lake with floating clump's. the club were over the winter granted permission to dye the lake to try an reduce sunlight penetration but this doesn't seem to work as the lake is quite shallow, and there is a limit on the amount of dye we can use.
its one of these farcical episodes of too much bureaucracy, not enough sense. but id like to know if there is anyway to pressure or push for a resolution. at this point my view would be to have the club write to the local MP and copy in the local papers to shame the council into action.
Ive avoided naming and shaming the NGO, not sure if it applies here though.
apologies foe any misspelling and poor gamma I am heavily dyslexic, but always try and make an effort.
Thanks Andy
Edited by AlfaDogvan on Monday 7th July 12:46
I don't actually know, but there view has been expressed yet there is still no action from the council.
I am currently trying to find out if the NGO are aware that the shrimp isn't native. or at least if this has been pointed out to them.
Talk about first work problems but all sailing been stopped for 3 weeks now with no action till the end of the month, with the 'Cut'. and we had the same last year.
Thanks Andy
I am currently trying to find out if the NGO are aware that the shrimp isn't native. or at least if this has been pointed out to them.
Talk about first work problems but all sailing been stopped for 3 weeks now with no action till the end of the month, with the 'Cut'. and we had the same last year.
Thanks Andy
You might find Basingstoke Canal preservation soc.'s experience of practical use. They had a similar problem: they cleared the canal and the act of clearance gave rise to a small group of endangered creatures who hadn't been able to live there before to decide it would be des res. They, at least according to one bloke who had been on the clearance committee, needed the canal clear to thrive.
There was an intent to ban all canal boats from the canal but in the end a compromise was reached and a limitation was imposed.
From my experience, the committee are only too pleased to discuss their tactics.
There was an intent to ban all canal boats from the canal but in the end a compromise was reached and a limitation was imposed.
From my experience, the committee are only too pleased to discuss their tactics.
According to a fishery owner I was talking to, the only aquatic herbicide of any use has now been withdrawn from use by the EU, with no acceptable alternative currently available. He's had to go to manual weed removal on a 40 acre lake, it's a huge problem for him.
Puzzled by the shrimp - I assumed that the wrong end of the stick had been grasped, that you had this and were being prevented from removing material from the site to avoid spreading it, but council minutes also mention a rare shrimp. Seems unlikely to me that it is an alien species, the EA would be all for nuking the lake from orbit if it was.
Puzzled by the shrimp - I assumed that the wrong end of the stick had been grasped, that you had this and were being prevented from removing material from the site to avoid spreading it, but council minutes also mention a rare shrimp. Seems unlikely to me that it is an alien species, the EA would be all for nuking the lake from orbit if it was.
My info is 3rd hand at least at this point. you could well be right that they don't want to contaminate.
the interesting thing is the lake is filled with sea water and then sealed off with just an overflow into the creek behind so it slowly dilutes with rain water. its a very unstable environment for both the weed and shrimp.
I am going to try and find out some more accurate info.
ill have a look into the canal information that sounds very similar.
as for just getting on with it weed love to, but Id imagine that it could land the Club in deep shrimp dodo (see what i did there)
its seriously starting to effect my championship at the moment as i missed some event the begging of the year so i need to bag some points
.
Andy
the interesting thing is the lake is filled with sea water and then sealed off with just an overflow into the creek behind so it slowly dilutes with rain water. its a very unstable environment for both the weed and shrimp.
I am going to try and find out some more accurate info.
ill have a look into the canal information that sounds very similar.
as for just getting on with it weed love to, but Id imagine that it could land the Club in deep shrimp dodo (see what i did there)
its seriously starting to effect my championship at the moment as i missed some event the begging of the year so i need to bag some points
. Andy
There's only a brief mention that doesn't really say anything you don't already know.
Halfway down page 3 of this:
www.gosport.gov.uk/EasySiteWeb/GatewayLink.aspx?al...
Halfway down page 3 of this:
www.gosport.gov.uk/EasySiteWeb/GatewayLink.aspx?al...
otolith said:
There's only a brief mention that doesn't really say anything you don't already know.
Halfway down page 3 of this:
www.gosport.gov.uk/EasySiteWeb/GatewayLink.aspx?al...
cheers Oloith Halfway down page 3 of this:
www.gosport.gov.uk/EasySiteWeb/GatewayLink.aspx?al...
Go to you local swimming pool supplies company.
Get some sodium hypochlorite 10% solution.
Chuck in a gallon or 2.
Wait
After a couple of weeks ask for the shrim population to be re assesed.
Chlorine dissapates with time. It will kill the shrimp (and everything else) and then dissolve out of the water as gas.
Simples.
EDIT: 100ml per m3. So roughly calculate how may m3 the lake is and work it out.
Get some sodium hypochlorite 10% solution.
Chuck in a gallon or 2.
Wait
After a couple of weeks ask for the shrim population to be re assesed.
Chlorine dissapates with time. It will kill the shrimp (and everything else) and then dissolve out of the water as gas.
Simples.
EDIT: 100ml per m3. So roughly calculate how may m3 the lake is and work it out.
Edited by Stick Legs on Tuesday 8th July 06:38
pretty big lake, needs to be for the multihull's we race. as i said before. its the permission that we need. there no way we could chlorife the water as theirs plenty of ducks,wildlife and dogs. i cant imagine that would do them any favors.
Edited by AlfaDogvan on Tuesday 8th July 12:38
Edited by AlfaDogvan on Tuesday 8th July 12:58
Thats a shame I can remember some of the Nitro boats clearing the lake with some spectacular smashes too in the 90's.
I was just thinking of where to take a friends swamp airboat for a trial and thought of Gosport. shame about the environmentalists and nimbys but you do have ALOT of old people in overlooking flats with not much else to do all day. That lake always was an odd eco setup anyway as you put earlier salt water that slowly became less saline due to rainfall, I thought it just got pumped through and topped up as necessary. Can remember catching crabs down there as a child too.
I was just thinking of where to take a friends swamp airboat for a trial and thought of Gosport. shame about the environmentalists and nimbys but you do have ALOT of old people in overlooking flats with not much else to do all day. That lake always was an odd eco setup anyway as you put earlier salt water that slowly became less saline due to rainfall, I thought it just got pumped through and topped up as necessary. Can remember catching crabs down there as a child too.
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